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Becoming a Lawyer Without Going to Law School (2015)

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Re: Becoming a Lawyer Without Going to Law School (2015)

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While becoming a lawyer without going to law school, I exonerated an innocent man who was serving life in prison for murder. That man was put behind bars by an incompetent prosecutor... who had become a lawyer without going to law school. (Seriously.)

That man was put behind bars by an incompetent prosecutor

Unless there was prosecutorial malpractice involved, I'd say that the man whom you exonerated was put behind bars by a judge and a jury.

Re: Becoming a Lawyer Without Going to Law School (2015)

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Apprenticeships seem to have been very common up until very recently. They offered an alternative path to college, which for many leads to insurmountable debt and poor job prospects. Who is the largest holder of student debt in the United States? The answer to that question explains why apprenticeships and trade schools are not promoted.

> Who is the largest holder of student debt in the United States? The answer to that question explains why apprenticeships and trade schools are not promoted. Could you spell this out for us? Who hold the largest debt? And promoted by whom?

Most student debt is owned by the US Federal Government.

"In 2010, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated 55% of loans fell into this category. Between 2011 and 2016, the share of privately originated student loans fell by nearly 90%."

"In February 2016, the U.S. Treasury Department revealed in its annual report that student loans account for 31% of all U.S. government assets."

that 31% figure is pretty concerning...

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/08121...

Re: Becoming a Lawyer Without Going to Law School (2015)

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That is something I've dream of but in California that is not possible from the research I've done. I live in Los Angeles county. If someone knows something otherwise please let me know. Thanks Rich

I thought you could do this in California by apprenticing with a lawyer. No idea if this is still the case, but I vaguely remember reading about this a while back.

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/California_Legal_Apprentices...

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While becoming a lawyer without going to law school, I exonerated an innocent man who was serving life in prison for murder. That man was put behind bars by an incompetent prosecutor... who had become a lawyer without going to law school. (Seriously.)

That man was put behind bars by an incompetent prosecutor Unless there was prosecutorial malpractice involved, I'd say that the man whom you exonerated was put behind bars by a judge and a jury.

So you're implying a lawyer plays no role?

Re: Becoming a Lawyer Without Going to Law School (2015)

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post #7

Lawyers currently have one of the most bi-modal salary distributions of any profession. It seems to me that for folks who want to enter the profession doing low pay work that this should be a more supported and common path as law school is a ridiculous choice for someone who is going to make less than a teacher for the rest of their life. I’ve known a handful of public defenders in my time and almost all of them had…

> Lawyers currently have one of the most bi-modal salary distributions of any profession.

I understand what you're saying but I feel like the top 50 would be occupied by people in various types of art, food preparation/serving, personal care/service, and writing. It would probably be top 3 easily for the amount of debt most of the lawyers go into for their degree(which seems to be the issue you are getting at anyways).

https://www.bls.gov/oes/bulletin_2004.pdf

Re: Becoming a Lawyer Without Going to Law School (2015)

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While becoming a lawyer without going to law school, I exonerated an innocent man who was serving life in prison for murder. That man was put behind bars by an incompetent prosecutor... who had become a lawyer without going to law school. (Seriously.)

wiki sed you wen Harvard Law.

I no secret

Re: Becoming a Lawyer Without Going to Law School (2015)

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While the American Bar Association certainly dose not use violence the whole system stinks like a protection racket. The fact they pushed states to enact a form regulatory capture is pretty messed up.

Then add the fact apprenticeships are not the norm so these lawyers are not making as much. Overall, it's quite silly and sad.

Re: Becoming a Lawyer Without Going to Law School (2015)

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While becoming a lawyer without going to law school, I exonerated an innocent man who was serving life in prison for murder. That man was put behind bars by an incompetent prosecutor... who had become a lawyer without going to law school. (Seriously.)

It's a prosecutor's job to get someone convicted. So, given they succeeded, why do you consider them incompetent?

Perhaps the innocent man's own lawyer (defender) was incompetent?

Re: Becoming a Lawyer Without Going to Law School (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That man was put behind bars by an incompetent prosecutor Unless there was prosecutorial malpractice involved, I'd say that the man whom you exonerated was put behind bars by a judge and a jury.

So you're implying a lawyer plays no role?

The power to put people behind bars solely rests with the judge and jury.

The prosecutor, by definition, played a role in the process, but it's not the deciding role.

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