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With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by samatao »

soared wrote: post #259
jacobolus wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think Cal State psychology professors are “rich”? Twenge has a salary of about $100,000/year. https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/2016/california-s... Plus whatever she brings in by writing non-fiction books, delivering paid speeches, doing market research consulting, and maybe some summer job. That’s probably quite a bit lower than the average reader of this forum.

Rofl, $100k/yr is rich.

Very often not enough to raise a family where those $100k/yr salaries are located.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by rev0lutions »

djsumdog wrote: post #228

Before I even started reading, I knew it was going to be an attack at the phone. A few centuries ago, they'd attack books. Look back at videos from the 1950s and people didn't talk to each other on the train back then either, their noses were in books, magazines and newspapers. By the 80s, the nerdy kids had headphones and cassette players. By the 90s, people had discmans. The trouble with articles like this is they…

the school shootings are a really big problem here.. and its a strange, almost uniquely american phenomena (even including 3rd world 'shitholes' like pakistan and afghanistan') https://eand.co/why-were-underestimating-american-collapse-b...

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by thinkloop »

c8d3f7b49897918 wrote: post #248
djsumdog wrote: post #228

Before I even started reading, I knew it was going to be an attack at the phone. A few centuries ago, they'd attack books. Look back at videos from the 1950s and people didn't talk to each other on the train back then either, their noses were in books, magazines and newspapers. By the 80s, the nerdy kids had headphones and cassette players. By the 90s, people had discmans. The trouble with articles like this is they…

> And nihilism isn't a bad thing. You aren't taking nihilism seriously enough.

Nihilism can be liberating and a source of joy. Why does there have to be "meaning", whatever that is? Perhaps the issue is that we don't prepare young people properly for it and have an over-reliance on "god". Realizing that you can live your life as you wish is amazing.

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Post by rorykoehler »

whatshisface wrote: post #148
lsc wrote: post #140

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> If you really do look down on your old friends and acquaintances like that (so that you see their posts as all about being poorer and less articulate than you), then you're probably the one making posts that depress them. Sometimes, yes, and that is the cause of some negative self-reflection on my part, but I think that there's another factor at work... I think that especially the "racist memes with spelling mistak…

> I went to a school where scholastic aptitude was something you hid, if you were smart. That's a very common experience I'm actually surprised to hear that it's ever any other way. To go a bit historical materialist on you, I think that if you took the kids at your old school and made them ten times better at thinking and ten times worse at everything else, their values would re-adjust so that they felt valuable aga…

>That's a very common experience I'm actually surprised to hear that it's ever any other way.

That's a western thing. In the east being smart is cool.

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Post by shams93 »

djsumdog wrote: post #228

Before I even started reading, I knew it was going to be an attack at the phone. A few centuries ago, they'd attack books. Look back at videos from the 1950s and people didn't talk to each other on the train back then either, their noses were in books, magazines and newspapers. By the 80s, the nerdy kids had headphones and cassette players. By the 90s, people had discmans. The trouble with articles like this is they…

Rasing tuition from $50 a year for baby boomers in the 70s to 25k a year any generation facing a life of indentured servitude when their parents got to be human beings is going to be nihilistic.

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Post by xupybd »

throwaway2801 wrote: post #191
darkstar999 wrote: post #178

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I think you're taking it the wrong way. Perhaps they feel hopeless and desolate because they are stuck in the religious group after learning about other things.

(edit: I read your answer again. It made me smile. Original text:) Maybe you are right, and xupybd too. This is why I still think my parent had an interesting and insightful answer. I actually wanted to understand that this way, but was put off by the "at such a tender age". This does not look neutral to me. "at this stage of life" or "at this young age" would not have triggered this in me. Unfortunately, written tex…

Just to add some potential insight. One of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that all people are in trouble/broken/sinners/in need of saving. So when you say they feel sorry for you that is actually part of the belief system. Even if you think you're okay they do not. It's not a matter of you being successful or not, but your moral standing before God.

So regardless of your point of view they're always going to act like you need fixing/saving.

That said they may well have not understood your point of view.

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Post by marnett »

orasis wrote: post #250
djsumdog wrote: post #228

Before I even started reading, I knew it was going to be an attack at the phone. A few centuries ago, they'd attack books. Look back at videos from the 1950s and people didn't talk to each other on the train back then either, their noses were in books, magazines and newspapers. By the 80s, the nerdy kids had headphones and cassette players. By the 90s, people had discmans. The trouble with articles like this is they…

Nihilism is the scourge of our age. It takes courage to create meaning and love life.

I agree. Out of curiousity, how have you found the meaning in your life?

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Post by justonepost »

djsumdog wrote: post #228

Before I even started reading, I knew it was going to be an attack at the phone. A few centuries ago, they'd attack books. Look back at videos from the 1950s and people didn't talk to each other on the train back then either, their noses were in books, magazines and newspapers. By the 80s, the nerdy kids had headphones and cassette players. By the 90s, people had discmans. The trouble with articles like this is they…

Agreed, if you look at things like global warming and nuclear war, Artificial Intelligence - being inundated with these types of things can be pretty depressing. There's not a lot of sources of Hope for children these days. Blaming it directly on phones seems a bit like tunnel vision.

That being said, it might be wise to control access to this type of information until your children grow up and get better context / moral code to deal with such things.

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Post by lsc »

rorykoehler wrote: post #274
whatshisface wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I went to a school where scholastic aptitude was something you hid, if you were smart. That's a very common experience I'm actually surprised to hear that it's ever any other way. To go a bit historical materialist on you, I think that if you took the kids at your old school and made them ten times better at thinking and ten times worse at everything else, their values would re-adjust so that they felt valuable aga…

>That's a very common experience I'm actually surprised to hear that it's ever any other way. That's a western thing. In the east being smart is cool.

>That's a western thing. In the east being smart is cool.

I thought it was an exclusive school thing. The Americans I know who went to exclusive high schools seem to have had very different experiences. I even know several people (who went to a 'special' highschool for 'gifted' children) who claimed that they enjoyed high school more than college.

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Post by thinkloop »

shams93 wrote: post #275
djsumdog wrote: post #228

Before I even started reading, I knew it was going to be an attack at the phone. A few centuries ago, they'd attack books. Look back at videos from the 1950s and people didn't talk to each other on the train back then either, their noses were in books, magazines and newspapers. By the 80s, the nerdy kids had headphones and cassette players. By the 90s, people had discmans. The trouble with articles like this is they…

Rasing tuition from $50 a year for baby boomers in the 70s to 25k a year any generation facing a life of indentured servitude when their parents got to be human beings is going to be nihilistic.

Income and money are weakly correlated to happiness.
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