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With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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> For example, while conducting research for my book on iGen, I found that teens now spend much less time interacting with their friends in person. Interacting with people face to face is one of the deepest wellsprings of human happiness; without it, our moods start to suffer and depression often follows.

I think this is really the key. The lack of face time is really hard. Social media is a poor replacement for real interaction. It's kind of like junk food. It makes you feel good for a bit but long term use leaves you sick and fat. You get too much of the stuff you don't need and too little of the stuff you do need.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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I spend about 10 minutes a day on instagram and come away thinking how amazing the world is. You have to curate your feed. Curate curate curate.

> You have to curate your feed. Curate curate curate. So the counter-argument is that Instagram is not so depressing provided that one uses as little Instagram as possible ("curate, curate, curate")? That kind of proves the parent's point (which wasn't that one can't possible ever find anything non-depressing/jealousy inducing on Instagram).

> one uses as little Instagram as possible

No, you didn't understand. The point is that you should follow things that make you feel good and cut off access to things that make you feel bad. Choose your experience. Curate your feed. That's supposed to be the whole point.

It's like the difference between enjoying a glass of fine wine and alcoholic abuse that causes cirrhosis.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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> For example, while conducting research for my book on iGen, I found that teens now spend much less time interacting with their friends in person. Interacting with people face to face is one of the deepest wellsprings of human happiness; without it, our moods start to suffer and depression often follows. I think this is really the key. The lack of face time is really hard. Social media is a poor replacement for real…

> Interacting with people face to face is one of the deepest wellsprings of human happiness;

That varies from person to person. There are enough introverts around who are completely drained by excess human interactions and need time to process and recharge. As a blanket statement this is very misleading.

For those who tend more extroverted, it’s likely very true, but doesn’t make it true for everyone.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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I think the "likely culprit" is, as it has always been, just the "human condition."

The coming into an unknown world, ignorant of everything, constantly reconciling conflicting ideas, nagged by a sense of ultimate pointlessness, and the dread of inevitable mortality. However we may try to pooh-pooh these things away, they've been an incurable source of unhappiness since time immemorial.

Humans cannot be truly happy unless we keep ourselves seriously deluded or constantly distracted; with biosocial emotions, religion, duty, hope, ambition, goals, pleasure or whatever.

Throughout our history the distraction has mostly been provided by daily struggle for survival, but the comforts of civilization and technology, and the increasing knowledge of the species as a whole, have been laying us bare to the above.

We probably either have to keep cooking up new distractions, or we'll need to sit down as an species and conduct a no-bullshit review of what it means to be human, and everyone's place, right and requirements in this world, and our combined place in the cosmos.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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They did a study using Facebook. But I'm more curious about Instagram. "Look at all these rich beautiful people with millions of followers sailing around the world on their yachts." Ten minutes on Instagram is enough to fill any sane person with existential dread and bring about severe depression.

I think the same can be applied to just about any source/site/app where these feelings of inferiority can arise. Even here if I spend enough time browsing posts with topics I’m not strong in, I feel like I still have so much catching up/learning to do in tech, and it kills me. Drawing comparisons is way too easy and it really is the devil.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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How do you do that? I get bombarded with recruiters who don’t read my profile. “I’m moving to Berlin because of Brexit and looking for iOS roles” -> “Would you like this job in London as a python developer?” (Given I’m now back in the UK helping family look after a parent with Alzheimer’s while she can still recognise me, I should probably update my profile...)

Either that or they don't believe you will really move, or they believe that with a different job you would stay.

that vote was 18 months ago

if he's still looking after that long in this market they're probably right

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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They did a study using Facebook. But I'm more curious about Instagram. "Look at all these rich beautiful people with millions of followers sailing around the world on their yachts." Ten minutes on Instagram is enough to fill any sane person with existential dread and bring about severe depression.

For my son (17 y.o.) it is online games and phone use in general. He has - I hope - mild depression, which - I believe - is caused by his online habits. His mom and I thought taking his PC away from him would fix it. But then he falls into school-sleep cycle, that looks like full-blown depression. Yes, his grades are affected and in not a good way. What works for now is to participate in his life with him. As of now…

When I was around that age I also had my PC taken away from me. My recommendation would be to see if you can kickstart some hobby by spending a few hundred dollars on something as a substitute for the PC. Something of his choice than is more constructive than video games. When my PC was taken away and not replaced with anything, I just got bored and didn't know what to do with my time.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Not as much as LinkedIn. LinkedIn is a fairytale-land for adults, and it's bizzare (to me) that anyone wants to participate. It's not even humblebragging anymore. It's "Look what I made, and what I achieved" packed into casual "Oh this thing? Yeah it's just my perfect life"-packages...

Why would anyone browse LinkedIn? This is actually a serious question. I'm pretty good about keeping mine updated, but the only viewers I'm planning on are recruiters, who would be getting the same information regardless.

I think some people that just treat it like another Facebook. I've had several of people I barely know, and who I have nothing professionally in common with, try to add me.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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They did a study using Facebook. But I'm more curious about Instagram. "Look at all these rich beautiful people with millions of followers sailing around the world on their yachts." Ten minutes on Instagram is enough to fill any sane person with existential dread and bring about severe depression.

This is ridiculous. Depressed and filled with existential dread over seeing pictures of rich people on yachts, really? Do you feel that way every time you pass by a large house or see an expensive car on the road too?

As silly as it sounds, strangers on the road or houses you pass by aren't human

Social media / instagram / etc allow the other party to feel human to you, at which point you can easily get into the thought of "They're not really better than me, are they? Why is their life so gilded"..

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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i think the article is correct, but i also think that new perceptions about society are contributing to the problem. kids used to think that they could make ends meet, somehow. as time goes forward, that notion is increasingly replaced by the notion that there is no way to make ends meet or to have a good life besides succeeding in high school and then college and then in a fancy career. anything besides that is not really accepted or respected, from what ive seen. so imagine that you are a kid and you are in fact not up to the gauntlet of challenges associated with making all of that happen -- or imagine that taking on that huge challenge frightens you which causes you to do badly in school which then makes you even more frightened and hopeless. and you need to do all this while attending a public high school in the US, which are some of the most toxic, inhospitable and shortsighted places in the world.

the whole thing a stupid cultural artifact that not only makes no sense (the economy will not function if everyone has white-collar jobs), but also completely overlooks the mental health of the people who are subjected to it.

and its all made worse by social media, because kids know that if their life and career dont wind up being ideal, their entire social circle is going to be looking at it online.

i was in high school when facebook first took off. i suppose im lucky because i got to experience high school before facebook (before modern social media) and i got to experience high school after. such a transition happens once in a lifetime. i immediately had a very bad feeling about facebook and felt really bad whenever i used it. when i was faced with the transition to a facebook world, informed by the memory of how i felt before facebook, i chose not to make an account and effectively opt out of online social interaction. its a decision that i have never regretted and one that seems better and better as the years tick by.

i still cant understand why people use facebook. and im not surprised in any way that a world where everyone is on facebook has these kinds of consequences.

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