Live data from Hacker News

With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

theconversation.com

101–110 of 456 posts

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

#101

Study: Increases in Depressive Symptoms, Suicide-Related Outcomes, and Suicide Rates Among U.S. Adolescents After 2010 and Links to Increased New Media Screen Time Citation: Jean M. Twenge, Thomas E. Joiner, Megan L. Rogers, Gabrielle N. Martin. Clinical Psychological Science Vol 6, Issue 1, pp. 3 - 17. November 14, 2017. Link: https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702617723376 DOI: 10.1177/2167702617723376 Abstract: In two na…

correlation does not imply causation

..but it strongly correlates with it.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

#102
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, whatdya know, I said the same thing a while ago - we don't actually know the effects of long term exposure to so much radiation. But I think it's mostly the Internet - too much information, endless info streams, endless mindless entertainment, endless feeds of successful people (so it seems that everyone is successful, or making 50K/year, or pretty, except you and your family/friends/hometown).

Currently we're running a huge experiment in which virtually everybody is exposed to the electromagnetic fields of communication networks. This has been going on for more than a decade. If there is an effect, we should easily see it.

More than a decade. A century. We've been steadily increasing the number of RF sources, but also at the same time, reducing their intensity. RF noise is weaker now than it used to be.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

#103
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently we're running a huge experiment in which virtually everybody is exposed to the electromagnetic fields of communication networks. This has been going on for more than a decade. If there is an effect, we should easily see it.

> we should easily see it. Note, I'm not saying there is an effect, but it's not quite so easy to say we should have found it if it exists. First, there is a delay between radiation exposure and cancer risk (up to ten years). Second, if all population centers experience the same increase in radiation exposure, then it is very difficult to use radiation as an independent variable to measure its impact on cancer. For i…

Non-ionizing radiation, like the one from cell towers or your smartphone (or radio signals, or TV, or even from power lines) does not cause cancer. It just can't cause cancer, as it can't even rip off a single electron from an atom (definition of non-ionizing).

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

#104
post #63
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I found it a great resource to reach out and break into the tech sector. It only becomes a dick measuring contest when you've no clear goal on the platform.

How do you do that? I get bombarded with recruiters who don’t read my profile. “I’m moving to Berlin because of Brexit and looking for iOS roles” -> “Would you like this job in London as a python developer?” (Given I’m now back in the UK helping family look after a parent with Alzheimer’s while she can still recognise me, I should probably update my profile...)

Maybe they are guessing that you might not have updated your profile, when they recruit you inaccurately. (More realistically, they have a quota to fill...)

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

#105

This is anecdotal, but when I was a teen, I was bullied, and online was an escape. The idea of those bullies hitting up a Facebook, Instagram, or even just texting insults 24/7 would probably be jarring and depressing.

Yeah I was surprised they mentioned bullying in the article as a possible "real life" cause of depression, and not a "smartphone" one. Social media does make it easier for a bully to "connect" with you.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

#106

They did a study using Facebook. But I'm more curious about Instagram. "Look at all these rich beautiful people with millions of followers sailing around the world on their yachts." Ten minutes on Instagram is enough to fill any sane person with existential dread and bring about severe depression.

>"Look at all these rich beautiful people with millions of followers sailing around the world on their yachts." How is this any different than society at large? How is this any different from TV and newspapers? > Ten minutes on Instagram is enough to fill any sane person with existential dread and bring about severe depression. Ten minutes on HN is enough considering all the fear mongering being pushed here. And most…

>How is this any different than society at large? How is this any different from TV and newspapers?

I suppose social media like Instagram makes the experience different, more intimate perhaps. Reading newspaper accounts of super-rich lifestyle is still a bit like hearing tales of life of Kublai Khan: it's something that happens far away, half mythical and half magical. A magazine publishes an article how the super-rich enjoy their life, sailing around the world on their yachts? Maybe it was an overview of the phenomenon in general, or if it was an in-depth portrait focused on some particular celebrity, it probably was a story about what they did maybe weeks or months ago. And in any case, when you've read the article, you put the magazine away, and continue with your life.

Following people on the internet service, looking at the pictures and stories they personally share with their followers in near real time, it's a bit more like observing a person doing all those things on first hand basis. And that could make it more soul-crushing as an experience.

But this is all conjecture. Someone pointed out in other comment that the true reason might be the economic downturn.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

#107

Many of you are speaking about the social aspects of smartphones and social media, but I think a big issue is also the cognitive impact of short-term gratification due to internet/tech addiction. Happiness often comes from feeling competent. If teens attention spans are dwindling due to this addiction, they are going to grow up without the grit to persist and develop skills.

I see this in the students I mentor. Every single one of them cannot focus on a single task for longer than 60 seconds, which is severely hampering their ability to think deeply about abstract programming and data science problems. It's very frustrating, but they just cannot stop checking their phones for updates

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently we're running a huge experiment in which virtually everybody is exposed to the electromagnetic fields of communication networks. This has been going on for more than a decade. If there is an effect, we should easily see it.

But where's your control? Everyone is exposed to EM radiation

Areas that were late in getting accesd to power grid, radio stations, landlines, analog TV... This "experiment" has been running for a good century now, and we would have seen effects if they were strong...

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you manually linking the study or automating it? I have seen your effort across multiple threads

I'd love to see something like this become a feature on HN/reddit: above the normal replies there is one special pinned (and perhaps even moderated) thread which is strictly used to gather links to original articles / alternative sources / studies / ...

Why? What's wrong with just upvoting those things?

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

#110

Study: Increases in Depressive Symptoms, Suicide-Related Outcomes, and Suicide Rates Among U.S. Adolescents After 2010 and Links to Increased New Media Screen Time Citation: Jean M. Twenge, Thomas E. Joiner, Megan L. Rogers, Gabrielle N. Martin. Clinical Psychological Science Vol 6, Issue 1, pp. 3 - 17. November 14, 2017. Link: https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702617723376 DOI: 10.1177/2167702617723376 Abstract: In two na…

Another Canadian one that was similar:

Study: Exploring how social networking sites impact youth with anxiety: A qualitative study of Facebook stressors among adolescents with an anxiety disorder diagnosis

Link: https://cyberpsychology.eu/article/view/8740/8149

Post reply on HN