With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
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Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#22Except from 2010 - 2015 many teens did feel a crushing sense of economic dread as they dealt with the realities of student loans, an out of reach housing market, devalued college degrees, the gig economy, promises of no retirement, etc. The article just skims over it with a quick this is why economics couldn’t have been the reason.
I don't think many teens (13-18) are doing much deep thinking about those things. I was a teenager about a bit more about than a decade before this time period, so maybe things were just so great then I didn't consider these things. But it seems like a stretch to me that a middle school or high school student is depressed because they are worried about retirement. Things like that were far too abstract to be contributing factors to my mental state at that age.
Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#23Housing market is pretty bad factor. Most generations previous could afford a starter house on two minimum wage or a bit above minimum wage incomes. In many areas today you need two engineering incomes to pay off a 30 yr mortgage.
I'm not sure how many 13-17 year old teenagers were or are concerned with their ability to purchase a home.
Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#24Study: Increases in Depressive Symptoms, Suicide-Related Outcomes, and Suicide Rates Among U.S. Adolescents After 2010 and Links to Increased New Media Screen Time Citation: Jean M. Twenge, Thomas E. Joiner, Megan L. Rogers, Gabrielle N. Martin. Clinical Psychological Science Vol 6, Issue 1, pp. 3 - 17. November 14, 2017. Link: https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702617723376 DOI: 10.1177/2167702617723376 Abstract: In two na…
correlation does not imply causation
No, but its a pretty good clue.
Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#25They did a study using Facebook. But I'm more curious about Instagram. "Look at all these rich beautiful people with millions of followers sailing around the world on their yachts." Ten minutes on Instagram is enough to fill any sane person with existential dread and bring about severe depression.
Not as much as LinkedIn. LinkedIn is a fairytale-land for adults, and it's bizzare (to me) that anyone wants to participate. It's not even humblebragging anymore. It's "Look what I made, and what I achieved" packed into casual "Oh this thing? Yeah it's just my perfect life"-packages...
Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#26Study: Increases in Depressive Symptoms, Suicide-Related Outcomes, and Suicide Rates Among U.S. Adolescents After 2010 and Links to Increased New Media Screen Time Citation: Jean M. Twenge, Thomas E. Joiner, Megan L. Rogers, Gabrielle N. Martin. Clinical Psychological Science Vol 6, Issue 1, pp. 3 - 17. November 14, 2017. Link: https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702617723376 DOI: 10.1177/2167702617723376 Abstract: In two na…
correlation does not imply causation
Authors of studies like this are well aware of this. I haven't read this paper, but these papers often go to great pains to explain how they controlled or screened-out other causes.
Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
It might be an unconvincing piece, but it still seems like a very plausible hypothesis to me.
I've got a plausible (to me) hypothesis of my own - namely, that the "kids these days are getting worse and worse" is something people have been thoughtlessly regurgitating for as long as we have historical written records, and that new customs or technologies are easiest to blame. Today it's Facebook, previously it was TV, earlier still it was walkmans and metal bands. Hell, if I'm to believe random quotes from the…
I think a big difference is social media causes people to constantly compare their lives to people's Facebook posts, which are usually people just sharing stuff that makes them look like their life is amazing. I know when I was in high school I compared myself to others and felt inadequate even without Facebook in my pocket. Now kids can just mindlessly scroll through a highlight reel of their peers and feel inadequate wherever they are.
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#28They did a study using Facebook. But I'm more curious about Instagram. "Look at all these rich beautiful people with millions of followers sailing around the world on their yachts." Ten minutes on Instagram is enough to fill any sane person with existential dread and bring about severe depression.
This might have been on HN a while ago, but it talks about different social media sites and came to the conclusion that Instagram was the worst of them as far as this stuff goes.
https://www.rsph.org.uk/about-us/news/instagram-ranked-worst...
I'm not able to open the report itself from that page, but I found a copy and uploaded it to archive.org.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180128204404/http://www.infoco...
Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#29Except from 2010 - 2015 many teens did feel a crushing sense of economic dread as they dealt with the realities of student loans, an out of reach housing market, devalued college degrees, the gig economy, promises of no retirement, etc. The article just skims over it with a quick this is why economics couldn’t have been the reason.
Only the oldest of teens would worry about those things. I agree they're all bad but I'm not convinced they'd have much of an impact on under 17 year olds. I'm extremely hacked off that the high school I'm sending my kids to requires students to have an ipad. It's expensive for me, of no benefit to the student, and makes it difficult for students and parents to figure out what homework is due becuase it's scattered a…
> no benefit to the student
No benefit? Maybe you mean that you prefer an Android tablet? I didn't have a computer until I was 18. The internet wasn't much of a thing until I got to college. Every day I think about how amazing it would have been to have access to so much free information when I was a kid.
Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit
#30Study: Increases in Depressive Symptoms, Suicide-Related Outcomes, and Suicide Rates Among U.S. Adolescents After 2010 and Links to Increased New Media Screen Time Citation: Jean M. Twenge, Thomas E. Joiner, Megan L. Rogers, Gabrielle N. Martin. Clinical Psychological Science Vol 6, Issue 1, pp. 3 - 17. November 14, 2017. Link: https://doi.org/10.1177/2167702617723376 DOI: 10.1177/2167702617723376 Abstract: In two na…
correlation does not imply causation
“Correlation does not imply causation, but it does waggle its eyebrows suggestively and gesture furtively while mouthing ‘look over there.’” (Thanks to XKCD)
It’s true that correlation does not imply causation. But it’s a stupid middlebrow dismissal to throw out there.