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Re: Buzz Kill

#41
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Case in point: http://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=losethos

That's just sad and immoral. Can somebody please tell that guy?

It's sadder than that actually:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=491503

and

http://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=losethos

freaky:

http://www.losethos.com/code/MultiProc.html

Re: Buzz Kill

#42
http://www.ryanholiday.net/the-imaginary-audience/

Schopenhauer had a name for this empty talk, he called it “fencing in the mirror.” It’s more common than you think. Consider all the times you’ve seen some blogger apologize for not posting recently – profusely addressing some concern that likely was never expressed. Or the Twitter updates to 38 followers, half of which are bots or uncaring companies. More realistically, maybe you’ve read too much into looks from a table of girls at a restaurant (a type I evolutionary error). Maybe you like like to roll down the windows in your car, turn up the stereo and know that everyone is just so impressed by your classic taste.

This isn't really directed a Leo since he does actually have an audience, but people obviously aren't hanging off of his every utterance. The same goes for all of us (for the most part) and our comments here, haha.

Re: Buzz Kill

#43
Finally! I've been hoping this would happen. About a year or so ago Leo's podcasts became all about Twitter. Twitter this, twitter that, people on twitter, followers, yadda yadda. It got so tiring for those of us who really couldn't care less.

I'm glad Leo has seen the light.

Re: Buzz Kill

#44
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just sad and immoral. Can somebody please tell that guy?

It's sadder than that actually: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=491503 and http://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=losethos freaky: http://www.losethos.com/code/MultiProc.html

I just wrote that guy an email telling him that his account has been dead for quite some time. Seems like the right thing to do, no matter how freaky.

Re: Buzz Kill

#45
post #9
post #4

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You missed the point though. No one noticed, or cared that it was broken.

...and the money quote: I was shouting into a vast echo chamber where no one could hear me because they were too busy shouting themselves. It would have been more accurate as "I stopped shouting into the vast echo chamber but nobody noticed because they were too busy shouting themselves."

No, I think his point was that no one was hearing him even before it stopped working...

Re: Buzz Kill

#46
post #17

I've never understood the appeal of Twitter and I think it would help if more "social media people" (and web app developers) could try to understand why. They are obscure little techie tools that a huge percentage of the population will never use. When Leo says "I was shouting into a vast echo chamber" what he really should say is "I was shouting into a miniscule echo chamber". And nobody was really listening because…

"what do I have that's worth actually broadcasting?" It's an ego-driven medium. All of it: YouTube (when actually done for its intended purpose and not flagrant copyright flouting); facebook/myspace, foursquare, getglue. It's all about what you're doing and more recently _where_ you are when you're doing it. It's about the inherent need for self-fulfillment. Let's say you have great taste in music. Just by someone no…

"we wouldn't ever even comment in HN, right m0nty?"

I guessed someone would try to make that point :) You'll notice I rarely do comment here, and I don't on reddit, youtube, Digg, etc. At least here, there is something approaching a conversation. But, Golden Rule: if I have nothing to say, I don't.

Re: Buzz Kill

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post #29
post #17

I've never understood the appeal of Twitter and I think it would help if more "social media people" (and web app developers) could try to understand why. They are obscure little techie tools that a huge percentage of the population will never use. When Leo says "I was shouting into a vast echo chamber" what he really should say is "I was shouting into a miniscule echo chamber". And nobody was really listening because…

In what way would it help to understand why?

Because you'd actually end up writing web apps with real value rather than just the next killer "social media app"?

Re: Buzz Kill

#48

In the comments: Why traditional blogging is a better medium than micro-blogging or social media - via Twitter Quite ironic.

This is the gist of the article for me, in particular because his tweet is the way I found the post. I think if anything it just goes to show that buzz is way more personal than twitter and most people unfollowed him on it because he was too spammy. My small circle of friends still routinely use it to share stuff that we find amusing/interesting.

I think the gist of Leo's post isn't that blogging is better then microblogging, it's that putting content onto a system you control is better than putting it onto an open service where you are basically a sharecropper for Da Man and your content can vanish without notice. And that this is a valid point even if your "content" is a photo of a sandwich.

Re: Buzz Kill

#49
post #26

Funny, but not at all surprising. I don't think I've ever read anything on Twitter. I can't imagine why anybody ever would. What is the use case where a human being would ever actually read a piece of text coming from Twitter? The only one I can think that of is searching for one's own product name to see if anybody is writing about it. Is there another reason I'm missing?

For me, the use of Twitter is: 1. I see X happening when I'm walking around (protesters, fireworks, concert, police barricades). 2. I search where I am in Tweetie. 3. I find out what's going on and, if I'm interested in it, might join. Twitter is all about discovery. Not communication.

But doesn't your 'discovery' use-case rely on a local herd of self-promoting new media douchebags using it to 'communicate'?

Re: Buzz Kill

#50

Would you notice if someone stopped posting on Hacker News? Does that mean Hacker News isn't valuable? What if someone decided to stop editing Wikipedia? When you read the news, do you remember the byline of every story you read? For large public conversations, most of what you read is contributed by people you don't know. Your friends' contributions are only a small part of what makes the place what it is. And yet t…

> Would you notice if someone stopped posting on Hacker News?

HN is also a bad medium for real conversations ... nothing beats directly seeing or hearing a person directly. It's all about the context, which in many cases is missing entirely from a textual conversation ... like your background or your body-language.

The later is very important: when 2 humans speak to each other, there's a synchronized motion going on, much like dancing. It is said that skillful sales people are so persuasive because they can get other people to dance on their rhythm.

Twitter is to me a tipping point ... an ADHD epidemy going rampant / information overload showing its side effects.

Ever seen a 14 year old teenager talk to his friends on messenger ... context free, incomprehensible, pointless messages written with a bad grammar and lots of misspellings because typing is just too much work.

That's what Twitter is ... a communication medium that's bringing everyone's communication style to a common denominator.

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