unfortunately none of the indian media are covering this news.
Indian Electronic Voting Researcher Arrested
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, then paper ballots are not tamper proof.
Nothing is tamper proof by itself. Being tamper proof is a thing that you address in a systemic way, with information, analysis, materials and procedures. So a paper ballot is not tamper proof but a box that is viewed by many that is opened in the presence of many and counted, and re-counted by many can yield a result that all will likely agree on to a degree that the democratic process can be executed. You could try…
I don’t disagree with you in general, I just think that the whole process of the paper ballot is not tamper proof. It is much more tamper proof than voting machines, sure, but not wholly immune.
I think the statement ‘The paper ballot process is practically tamper proof’ is essentially correct and as such don’t think that the statement of the Chief Election Commissioner with regard to voting machines in itself is incriminating. All I want to say is that saying something is ‘practically tamper proof’ is a meaningful statement.
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#23According to a BBC survey, 80% of the population live on 20 rupees (25p) a day in India i.e. with a $500 million investment politicians can buy their votes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6946800.stm
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing is tamper proof by itself. Being tamper proof is a thing that you address in a systemic way, with information, analysis, materials and procedures. So a paper ballot is not tamper proof but a box that is viewed by many that is opened in the presence of many and counted, and re-counted by many can yield a result that all will likely agree on to a degree that the democratic process can be executed. You could try…
I don’t disagree with you in general, I just think that the whole process of the paper ballot is not tamper proof. It is much more tamper proof than voting machines, sure, but not wholly immune. I think the statement ‘The paper ballot process is practically tamper proof’ is essentially correct and as such don’t think that the statement of the Chief Election Commissioner with regard to voting machines in itself is inc…
It's been proven trivial to mess with electronic voting machines, so that statement is patent nonsense.
The security (I use the term lightly) of electronic voting relies on not having knowledge about the system.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually, I hope this one draws a lot of international scrutiny. Unfortunately, the way things work in India, there's way too much bureaucracy with these sort of things and a bunch of old people running the show who are very much resistant to change (not to mention the potential $$$). Unless the matter is really played up by the media (which in itself is another animal to be wary of), this would have gone through wit…
Shooting the messenger is still wildly popular in plenty of places. Does India have whistleblower protection written in to law? (that would not help Hari directly but it could help him in his defense to not reveal his source)
Now I'm not too familiar with the Indian Penal Code and Law in general, but there have been instances of whistleblowers being silenced in the past one way or another if the spotlight or public movement momentum is slow to follow. The chances of this happening are more in certain parts of the country like Bihar and UP etc.
It's unfortunate but the situation is slowly improving as time goes by and connectivity and access of information improves.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t disagree with you in general, I just think that the whole process of the paper ballot is not tamper proof. It is much more tamper proof than voting machines, sure, but not wholly immune. I think the statement ‘The paper ballot process is practically tamper proof’ is essentially correct and as such don’t think that the statement of the Chief Election Commissioner with regard to voting machines in itself is inc…
It's been proven trivial to mess with electronic voting machines, so that statement is patent nonsense. The security (I use the term lightly) of electronic voting relies on not having knowledge about the system.
I don’t disagree with you about that, never said I did.
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#28Well, that fixes the problem.
There is a sense of despair that comes from reading news about people who have no discernible motive for what they do except deliberately trying to be as stupid as possible. I have started to disbelieve in Hanlon's Razor. It's not stupidity. It's malice. In this case, very clearly malice, but I'm starting to wonder if it's malice more often than that.
Oh, and most people shrugging and going on with their lives - that's stupidity.
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#29Rop Gongrijp is the guy behind wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl and was instrumental in getting the Dutch government to abandon electronic voting and use the famous red pencil again. He's also one of the co-founders of xs4all.nl, one of the first ISP in the netherlands. Great quote right there from the Chief Election Commisioner: "are practically totally tamper proof.", so, effectively he's actually admitting they'r…
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#30very unfortunate to arrest the researcher. Indian election commission ideally should open source the hardware design and the software, and let there be debate on how to make the system foolproof. but going back to paper vote should not be a option, we have enough backward thinking regional parties who are opposed to gender equality, education and technology
Wonder how interested he really is considering his predecessor himself accused the current CEC of favouring the ruling party.