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ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Taking a quick look at Vigilant Solutions has been interesting. Yet another Israeli mass surveillance company started by ex 8200 IDF 'graduates'.

The founder Adi Pinhas may ring a bell --- he also founded SuperFish!

Worth noting that the EFF have been on ALPR tech for years. Signing up for their emails has given me opportunities to contact representatives regarding ALPR legislation and decisions I would have never heard about otherwise.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Aeff.org+ALPR

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Yet another piece of evidence that the US is turning into an authoritarian state - as, to be fair, others do too (especially China!), but the US have the unique advantage of being the technologically most advanced civilization. In earlier times, when situations got too authoritarian, there were rebellions and revolution. With the level of militarization in police and military and the abilities made possible by today'…

To quote madam secretary, "at this point, what difference does it make".

People have been more then willing to give up their data to FB, Google, Apple, etc. The only difference is this is captured by governments --who at least in theory represent the voting public.

It'll be interesting to see what the outcome is. Will the public demand the government regulate industry as well as ask it to rein in its own capabilities, or will they just get used to it and accept it?

We'll have to see. Some technologists, libertarians and interestingly an intersection of right wing and left wing ideologies will oppose this for different reasons, but in the end, I think they will be a minority in total.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Yet another piece of evidence that the US is turning into an authoritarian state - as, to be fair, others do too (especially China!), but the US have the unique advantage of being the technologically most advanced civilization. In earlier times, when situations got too authoritarian, there were rebellions and revolution. With the level of militarization in police and military and the abilities made possible by today'…

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Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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It would be nice to see voters react to these sorts of technologies (whether they're provided by private companies or not) the way people reacted to the idea of being filmed via Google Glass when they went to a bar on a Friday night.

Of course they won't. The same group of anti government people are very pro hard on crime/ pro police.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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I remember reading a paper on confusing road sign recognizers by adding certain bits of noise to the sign that completely baffled the recognizer. I wonder if one could do this to the license plate which would still look normal to a human but be unreadable to an AI.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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post #22

Yet another piece of evidence that the US is turning into an authoritarian state - as, to be fair, others do too (especially China!), but the US have the unique advantage of being the technologically most advanced civilization. In earlier times, when situations got too authoritarian, there were rebellions and revolution. With the level of militarization in police and military and the abilities made possible by today'…

To quote madam secretary, "at this point, what difference does it make". People have been more then willing to give up their data to FB, Google, Apple, etc. The only difference is this is captured by governments --who at least in theory represent the voting public. It'll be interesting to see what the outcome is. Will the public demand the government regulate industry as well as ask it to rein in its own capabilities…

> The only difference is this is captured by governments --who at least in theory represent the voting public.

Actually I trust a megacorp like Google, Amazon, Twitter or Facebook more with my data than I trust the state.

The state can arrest me based on that data. The tech giants not, and they are fighting like hell that the government does not get access to that data (as that would compromise trust, and by that their business model). Given the massive amounts of money involved, I have no doubt who will win that fight.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote madam secretary, "at this point, what difference does it make". People have been more then willing to give up their data to FB, Google, Apple, etc. The only difference is this is captured by governments --who at least in theory represent the voting public. It'll be interesting to see what the outcome is. Will the public demand the government regulate industry as well as ask it to rein in its own capabilities…

> The only difference is this is captured by governments --who at least in theory represent the voting public. Actually I trust a megacorp like Google, Amazon, Twitter or Facebook more with my data than I trust the state. The state can arrest me based on that data. The tech giants not, and they are fighting like hell that the government does not get access to that data (as that would compromise trust, and by that the…

But that's only because at the moment they align with your PoV. An alternate example might be Tencent, Baidu & others.

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Is it possible to fight back by poisoning the data? Is it legal to set up a display by the roadside that shows randomly generated license plates, filling their automated cameras with garbage data? Or is their data collection smart enough to recognize a non-car, either technologically or by filtering everything through a Turk-like equivalent?

It would be ideal if you chose the fake plate numbers from the population of actual plate numbers used by corporate plate-tracking vehicles, just in case one encounters its "namesake" -- you might trigger some highly entertaining edge condition. ("Um, wait, that's... me! WTF?")

Re: ICE is about to start tracking license plates across the US

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Yet another piece of evidence that the US is turning into an authoritarian state - as, to be fair, others do too (especially China!), but the US have the unique advantage of being the technologically most advanced civilization. In earlier times, when situations got too authoritarian, there were rebellions and revolution. With the level of militarization in police and military and the abilities made possible by today'…

I don’t understand, Europe has national ID laws I can fill up a form and get the details including owner details for any license plate in the EU (you need cause but it’s not verified in most cases it would land you in trouble if it’s abused tho), and automated license plate tracking is pretty darn common across all EU countries yet no one here yells Stasi about this.
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