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Not sure what to think about this post. I've heard Leo speak about the likes of Twitter being the "internet's nervous system." In reality, these social networks - although useful for certain activities, like networking - are mostly superficial and disposable. Perhaps, when you are surrounded by pundits and PR types, it becomes difficult seeing beyond the hype.

Indeed microblogging is extremely ephemeral. I don't think it was ever intended to be anything otherwise though.

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I was shouting into a vast echo chamber where no one could hear me because they were too busy shouting themselves.

This reminded me of something from one of Joel Spolsky's last regular blog posts (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/14.html):

Although I appreciate that many people find Twitter to be valuable, I find it a truly awful way to exchange thoughts and ideas. It creates a mentally stunted world in which the most complicated thought you can think is one sentence long. It’s a cacophony of people shouting their thoughts into the abyss without listening to what anyone else is saying. Logging on gives you a page full of little hand grenades: impossible-to-understand, context-free sentences that take five minutes of research to unravel and which then turn out to be stupid, irrelevant, or pertaining to the television series Battlestar Galactica. I would write an essay describing why Twitter gives me a headache and makes me fear for the future of humanity, but it doesn’t deserve more than 140 characters of explanation, and I’ve already spent 820.

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tl;dr: Dude was posting things on google buzz, for some reason it stopped posting, no one noticed including the author.

This is closely related to some people that are 'dead' on HN and don't notice. They're still shouting to themselves though, some of those have been doing it for so long that it's scary.

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post #11
post #7

Not sure what to think about this post. I've heard Leo speak about the likes of Twitter being the "internet's nervous system." In reality, these social networks - although useful for certain activities, like networking - are mostly superficial and disposable. Perhaps, when you are surrounded by pundits and PR types, it becomes difficult seeing beyond the hype.

Indeed microblogging is extremely ephemeral. I don't think it was ever intended to be anything otherwise though.

It's the primal appeal of Twitter to me: a digital alternative to screaming into a pillow / bathtub / primal scream ball whenever a politician does something stupid.

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post #11
post #7

Not sure what to think about this post. I've heard Leo speak about the likes of Twitter being the "internet's nervous system." In reality, these social networks - although useful for certain activities, like networking - are mostly superficial and disposable. Perhaps, when you are surrounded by pundits and PR types, it becomes difficult seeing beyond the hype.

Indeed microblogging is extremely ephemeral. I don't think it was ever intended to be anything otherwise though.

A little while ago, Twitter only stored our last 20 tweets and discarded the previous ones. When they stopped being that much ephemeral, no one noticed.

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I was shouting into a vast echo chamber where no one could hear me because they were too busy shouting themselves. This reminded me of something from one of Joel Spolsky's last regular blog posts ( http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/14.html ): Although I appreciate that many people find Twitter to be valuable, I find it a truly awful way to exchange thoughts and ideas. It creates a mentally stunted world in…

Two words: Learning curve.

It takes time to understand what new media are for. Real, human-scale time, measured in years. The inventors of the telephone thought it was a B2B technology, didn't really grasp that everyone was going to have a phone in their home and use it to talk to relatives. The inventors of the phonograph, amazingly, thought of that as a business technology as well, for recording memos and stuff.

Twitter et al are in their infancy and are still growing. They get new users all the time; the new users happen upon different aspects of the tool and use it differently; some uses are ultimately better than others. It's the blind men and the elephant, except that the elephant is the size of the Library of Congress and there are seven billion blind men, two thirds of whom have yet to touch the elephant.

I, for one, don't have so many problems with Twitter, but that's probably because I use it differently from others. Let me offer some suggestions:

If you find that you feel lost because you no longer remember how many of the people you follow on Twitter are still alive you need to follow fewer people. I follow 97 people. Even that may ultimately be too large, although most of those people are very quiet, so I can probably keep growing it, especially as the client software gets smarter.

Remember that Twitter is RSS for humans. It's Delicious for non-nerds. It is for exchanging links, not ideas. If you have an idea that can't fit into 140 characters write it down in 2000 characters and then tweet the link.

Of course, Twitter can also be used to exchange ideas that are not worth more than 140 characters. Sometimes these Tweets are short because they are poetry. Sometimes they are short because they are stupid. Follow the poets; unfollow the stupid. Just because people are shouting nonsense doesn't mean you have to hear them. The Internet's soundproofing is very good.

Speaking of Internet soundproofing, signal-to-noise, and maintaining one's sanity: I don't follow hashtags. Like, ever. I'm not quite ready to pound the table and declare that hashtags are never going to work, because they're eventually going to be nothing but SEObots retweeting other SEObots in a vast, roiling AI botwar, but I for one don't miss them. Important things get retweeted by your followers or echoed in some other medium.

If someone's Twitter feed is not a net win you need to unfollow them. This can hurt. I kind of like Roger Ebert's Twitter feed, but the guy does. Not. Stop. My feed is like 85% Ebert. And almost everything he says is interesting, or could be interesting, but I'm not suffering from a shortage of interesting things, and he's drowning out the quiet folks. I need a Twitter client that has better stream management. For example, it could throttle access to my main stream: Ebert gets X tweets per hour on average into my aggregated stream; to see Ebert's full stream I need to click on something.

Speaking of which: I know there are ten thousand Twitter clients already, but there will be more. Client development is also in its infancy.

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I've never understood the appeal of Twitter and I think it would help if more "social media people" (and web app developers) could try to understand why. They are obscure little techie tools that a huge percentage of the population will never use. When Leo says "I was shouting into a vast echo chamber" what he really should say is "I was shouting into a miniscule echo chamber". And nobody was really listening because it's not really a conversation, it's all about self-promotion and that tends to be a very one-sided activity.

Buzz and Wave will never take off with the people I work with, or my friends, because we're all a bit old-fashioned and I doubt any one of us would sooner "tweet" a message than phone someone up and talk to them directly. Sure, I realise it's a one-to-many operation (unlike a phone-call) but honestly, what do I have that's worth actually broadcasting?

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With such a following does he not have a responsibility to curate news and resources? I did not see that within his boring stream.

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post #6

tl;dr: Dude was posting things on google buzz, for some reason it stopped posting, no one noticed including the author.

Yeah but if Leo Laporte can go that long without anyone noticing, what are the chances anyone cares about us tweeting. He has a large fan base, and I believe is well liked. I think he points out that twitter isn't building up peoples attention span but making it much shorter. The vast amount of tweet poring in just drowns out the individual posters. I can tell you right now, I wouldn't notice if a couple of people I…

I think you hit it on the head at the end of your post. His status as a nerd celebrity essentially ensures that many of the connections he has via these social networks will be tenuous at best. You can't classify the connection you have a to guy who's heard your podcast the same as your good friends and co-workers (or your wife! ;)).

This will sound conceited, but I think most people I'm associated with via Twitter would probably care if I disappeared without a peep for more than 5 days. So I think that while most people don't really care about his tweeting, nearly every other user's connections to their followers/followees will be much tighter.

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I was shouting into a vast echo chamber where no one could hear me because they were too busy shouting themselves. This reminded me of something from one of Joel Spolsky's last regular blog posts ( http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/14.html ): Although I appreciate that many people find Twitter to be valuable, I find it a truly awful way to exchange thoughts and ideas. It creates a mentally stunted world in…

Two words: Learning curve . It takes time to understand what new media are for. Real , human-scale time, measured in years. The inventors of the telephone thought it was a B2B technology, didn't really grasp that everyone was going to have a phone in their home and use it to talk to relatives. The inventors of the phonograph, amazingly, thought of that as a business technology as well, for recording memos and stuff.…

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