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Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by jahlove »

jermaustin1 wrote: post #120
saurik wrote: post #65

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When I read that comment, I thought "I see where you are coming from, but clearly you are exaggerating". Then you left your comment, which claims to disprove it, but has in fact conclusively demonstrated its truth. Mozilla is apparently competing favorably with the 20th largest charity in the entire US?! Yeah: this is like the American Heart Association saying "we finally have managed to allocate one full-time employ…

I was soo ready to agree with GP, in fact I upvoted them, because the rebuttal stands in my opinion (they aren't the richest in the world and they don't make 9 figures), but you are also so very right... Why the eff haven't they hired a $120k/yr rounding error to work on the application? Maybe they have tried, but no one wanted the job (especially to do solo). There could be plenty of answers to this, but I wish they…

Firefox makes money for Mozilla. Thunderbird does not. QED.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by tzahola »

flomo wrote: post #145
mikewhy wrote: post #127

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Wouldn't it be setting both "max-width" and "max-height" to 100%? Or the background-image / background-size hack.

Believe this is what people are looking for: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/object-fit

Nope. This determines how the image is rendered within the img element. The img element itself won’t be constrained in its aspect ratio. E.g. try adding a border or drop-shadow to the img and you’ll see the problem.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by tzahola »

bzbarsky wrote: post #146
flomo wrote: post #145

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Believe this is what people are looking for: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/object-fit

This works if you set "width: 100%; height: 100%", yes (and "object-fit: contain").

Nope. See my comment above.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by wrinkl3 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #143

The most practical, logical, obvious move would to be to reimplement Thunderbird as an Electron app. But of course that would be untenable for Mozilla because it would be admitting defeat to Chrome. The problem is that Mozilla has no alternative to Electron. There are a number of false starts and head fakes, but none of them have any buy in or support or future.

What would it take for Mozilla to build an Electron-like runtime with Firefox?

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by talideon »

imglorp wrote: post #90
tajen wrote: post #69

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Especially since most emails worldwide aren’t decentralized since they rely on centralized webmails. As in, Google and fastmail could decide to swipe you and all proofs you’ve ever saved in your emails from the history. Thunderbird is the last way to download emails (...at least in an open format).

Fetchmail? https://gitlab.com/fetchmail/fetchmail

If you're looking for something like fetchmail, I find fdm to be superior in just about every way: https://github.com/nicm/fdm

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Post by carussell »

_m8fo wrote: post #59
jonathanyc wrote: post #54

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501(c)(3) literally means the Mozilla Foundation is tax exempt. That is what the section of the law establishes. That places limits on what sorts of commercial agreements the foundation can make, among other things. Mozilla isn’t trying to tax dodge like certain other companies; the Mozilla Corporation is taxable, hires engineers, and enters into search agreements. The corporation being owned by the foundation means…

I'm familiar with tax exemption - my question is more surrounding any benefits of the way they're organized. They, for example could just be a benefit corporation. I doubt this would be better as donations would no longer be tax exempt, among other things. I guess I'm just curious to the pros and cons of the way they're organized as of now.

Mozilla has always reaped a lot of benefits, PR-wise, out of the impression people form when they hear that it's a non-profit.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by plushpuffin »

martinald wrote: post #34
macns wrote: post #33

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> one of the richest charities in the world with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google et al. Care to elaborate? Genuinely interested.

IIRC they got at $300m/year for having Google as the search provider in the top right box.

Not only that, but they added a clause to their contract with Yahoo that let them get out of it while still forcing Yahoo to pay if Yahoo was purchased by another company. When Verizon bought Yahoo, Mozilla switched their default search engine back to Google. I believe they're receiving double pay from both search companies for the next year or two.

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Post by slrz »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #139
aidenn0 wrote: post #111

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IMO claws-mail is better than thunderbird for e-mail.

Any specific features you believe makes it better than TB? First impressions aren't great -- is Claws an "email should be text only" advocate? -- brief look and the default mail format being non-standard; and all the screenshots on the website showing text only emails; tools including a special script to order threads by date (how else would you order them?); and the latest amendments to those scripts being over a ye…

What do you mean with non-standard default mail format? Most mail I receive from Claws users seems perfectly fine, which is something you can't say for most other popular MUAs. Outlook and certain web mailers probably being the most egregious examples, only topped by some (thankfully rare) Android vendor mobile apps.

The TLS setup certainly sucks but OTOH, the actual distribution archives are all cryptographically signed. Most users don't get Claws Mail from the website anyway, but use their distro packages, whose maintainers have hopefully verified the signatures before importing a new release.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by slrz »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #136
ShabbosGoy wrote: post #130

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Pine is better than Thunderbird at this point.

Perhaps I'll go with mutt again?

You probably should. Unless you manage to find some other, more modern, MUA that you can programmatically integrate with your development workflow and that handles large volumes of mail without slowing to a crawl. Then use that, and please tell me about it.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Post by johnny22 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #143

The most practical, logical, obvious move would to be to reimplement Thunderbird as an Electron app. But of course that would be untenable for Mozilla because it would be admitting defeat to Chrome. The problem is that Mozilla has no alternative to Electron. There are a number of false starts and head fakes, but none of them have any buy in or support or future.

Can't graphene be used for that in the future?
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