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Tokyo-based cryptocurrency exchange hacked, losing $530M: NHK

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Re: Tokyo-based cryptocurrency exchange hacked, losing $530M: NHK

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MakerDAO uses collateralized smart contracts to provide stability to their Dai token. Right now, only ETH can be used as collateral, but in Q2 they are starting multi-collateral support. https://makerdao.com/ https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dai/

Their whitepaper's explanation of how this works is horrendously complicated. There's no way you can encode that sort of logic into a cryptocoin in a bug-free manner. Steer clear of this.

Their contracts are up. If you can find a way to exploit one of the bugs, you can profit massively.

Re: Tokyo-based cryptocurrency exchange hacked, losing $530M: NHK

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considering that multiple exchanges in addition to bitfinex ONLY deal with USDT (instead of regular USD), that's not too implausible.

For the Tether to exist, someone's supposed to give Tether USD in exchange to USDT. If these exchanges are trying to avoid USD, where's the USD to buy the Tether coming from?

The USD is in the cloud, duh! It's magical cloud thinking all the way down, at least until you reach the turtles.

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Yes, the I believe the sum of fiat deposited on bitfinex, bittrex, huobi,... is close to that amount. I even see people from high school "investing" in crypto now. It's really not hard to believe when you consider how many millions of people are on these exchanges. Binance touts 3 million users, and has 425,819,642 tethers. 141$ average a user is completely believable.

You're being taken in by a basic accounting trick. Let's suppose I buy 100 USDT on an exchange. What Tether claims happens: 0. Bob and I own $100. Tether and Bittrex own nothing. 1. Bob sends $100 to Tether Limited. 2. Tether limited sends Bob 100 USDT. They now have $100 in their bank account. 3. Bob transfers 100 USDT to bittrex. 4. I send $100 to bittrex. I buy 100 USDT using that $100 from Bob. 5. Bob withdraws h…

While I think you're absolutely right in general, there are a few exchanges that are registered as serious financial institutions, which means they need to follow stricter regulation and actually back 100% of their user's assets. As far as I know at least Coinbase and Bitstamp are among these.

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Care to elaborate on these hopes? And the underlying humour…

There's a lot of sentiment against Solidity as a language, for fairly good reason. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14810008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14691212

Solidity answers the question "What if smart contracts used a lot of implicit behavior to hide necessary (as opposed to incidental) complexity, and used a JavaScript-like syntax and encouraged intermediate state mutation in order to attract your average web front-end-developer?"

Re: Tokyo-based cryptocurrency exchange hacked, losing $530M: NHK

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post #172

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considering that multiple exchanges in addition to bitfinex ONLY deal with USDT (instead of regular USD), that's not too implausible.

For the Tether to exist, someone's supposed to give Tether USD in exchange to USDT. If these exchanges are trying to avoid USD, where's the USD to buy the Tether coming from?

You can wire real USD to Bitfinex.

Re: Tokyo-based cryptocurrency exchange hacked, losing $530M: NHK

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Crypto wallets changing hands is a non-event for prices. This however might have potentially positive impact on prices of truly anonymous cryptos - typical direction of thiefs to "lose tails"

> Crypto wallets changing hands is a non-event for prices. Surely the point was more: "Why doesn't the obvious risk events like this represent affect the price of the commodity?" I mean, at this point I have to believe that the likelihood of a given dollar-equivalent of crypto currencies being stolen is much, much higher that it is for literal paper money. And paper is uniformly considered too risky to use as an asse…

There will be so many small time investors losing money when the bubble pops it's starting to make me wonder if it won't lead to some serious global destablization.

This isn't just some investment play-thing of otherwise well-off individuals in developed countries. A lot of dumb money has flowed in, and it's from people who probably can't really afford to lose it without taking a serious hit to their net worth.

Interesting times, maybe 50 years from now historians will be talking about the crypto-bubble and rising nationalism as the precursors to the next big war.

Re: Tokyo-based cryptocurrency exchange hacked, losing $530M: NHK

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You're being taken in by a basic accounting trick. Let's suppose I buy 100 USDT on an exchange. What Tether claims happens: 0. Bob and I own $100. Tether and Bittrex own nothing. 1. Bob sends $100 to Tether Limited. 2. Tether limited sends Bob 100 USDT. They now have $100 in their bank account. 3. Bob transfers 100 USDT to bittrex. 4. I send $100 to bittrex. I buy 100 USDT using that $100 from Bob. 5. Bob withdraws h…

While I think you're absolutely right in general, there are a few exchanges that are registered as serious financial institutions, which means they need to follow stricter regulation and actually back 100% of their user's assets. As far as I know at least Coinbase and Bitstamp are among these.

Yes, and to my knowledge the legit folks like Coinbase aren't using Tether. They're using actual USD. They'll still likely get hurt when the scam collapses, but nowhere near as much.

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For the Tether to exist, someone's supposed to give Tether USD in exchange to USDT. If these exchanges are trying to avoid USD, where's the USD to buy the Tether coming from?

You can wire real USD to Bitfinex.

Yes, and Bitfinex promptly gives it to Tether. Which they control.

https://medium.com/@bitfinexed/spoiler-alert-the-institution...

https://www.coindesk.com/bitfinex-tether-break-silence-go-me...

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You can wire real USD to Bitfinex.

Yes, and Bitfinex promptly gives it to Tether. Which they control. https://medium.com/@bitfinexed/spoiler-alert-the-institution... https://www.coindesk.com/bitfinex-tether-break-silence-go-me...

Sure, I'm not disputing this, just giving one plausible way Tether might be getting real USD.
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