It's not completely surprising the Dutch were looking into Cozy Bear. The Dutch led the investigation into the MH17 shoot-down, and Russian misinformation groups (of which Cozy Bear was one) have been working hard on that, too.
Now I wonder if the US, as a return favor, shared their intel on the MH17 incident too. I mean that was an actual act of physical aggression by the Russians where citizens died - something that hasn't happened between Russia and the US, well, ever.
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Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
NOS is our public broadcaster and is by definition not independent. Volkskrant is known to fabricate fake news long before the word existed ( i.e. the 'Martel hoax' )
You're pretty foolish to make such blatant statements without any source to back it up. Just because the NOS is a public broadcaster doesn't mean they're not independnant. Actually by law the goverment has no say in it's content and it is in no way beholden to corporate interests since it is a non-profit that doesn't need ads.
While the law states NOS (or rather NPO) has to be independent from government interference reality shows another picture, just like it does in other countries - Sweden being a good example. In both cases - NOS in the Netherlands, SVT (Sveriges Television) and SR (Sveriges Radio) in Sweden - these companies have a distinct political signature which is not representative for the public they are supposed to represent. A case study by Kent Asp, professor of journalism at the University of Gothenburg titled "journalistkårens partisympatier' (journalist's party affiliations) [1] clearly shows this in that the majority of journalists working for the public broadcasters identify with two of the parties to the extreme left of the spectrum ('miljöpartiet' (greens) and 'vänsterpartiet' ('left-wing party', they originally called themselves 'vänsterpartiet kommunisterna' (left-wing party communists) but changed their moniker with the fall of the wall and the dissolution of the Soviet Union)). While these two parties currently are supported by about 12% of the population at large they garner around 77% of votes among journalists working for the public broadcasters. Add the support for the social democratic party (around 12%, this is actually far lower than the support for that party among the population (around 20%-25%)) and it becomes clear that journalists working for public broadcasters are far more left-leaning than the general population. There are many other sources [2][3] to back up these claims.
The situation with the Dutch public broadcaster seems to be slightly different due to the way this institution has grown from formerly independent broadcasters but the results are comparable [4].
So while these public broadcasters are not beholden to corporate interests and not dependent on advertising - they are financed by fees and taxes - they do have other affiliations and as such can not been seen as 'independent'.
[1] https://jmg.gu.se/digitalAssets/1284/1284227_nr38.pdf
[2] https://www.svt.se/opinion/svt-och-sr-dags-att-erkanna-era-p...
[3] http://magasinetneo.se/okategoriserade/jo-den-svenska-journa...
[4] https://www.elsevierweekblad.nl/nederland/blog/2017/08/kan-s...
Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party
#33I just want to say, The Netherlands Second.
EVERYONE GETS A STROOPWAFEL!
Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party
#34What's worse DNC dirts or who exposed them?
Also what about Seth Rich, wasn't he involved in DNC leaks?
Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're pretty foolish to make such blatant statements without any source to back it up. Just because the NOS is a public broadcaster doesn't mean they're not independnant. Actually by law the goverment has no say in it's content and it is in no way beholden to corporate interests since it is a non-profit that doesn't need ads.
While the law states NOS (or rather NPO) has to be independent from government interference reality shows another picture, just like it does in other countries - Sweden being a good example. In both cases - NOS in the Netherlands, SVT (Sveriges Television) and SR (Sveriges Radio) in Sweden - these companies have a distinct political signature which is not representative for the public they are supposed to represent.…
Thank you.
Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party
#36What's worse DNC dirts or who exposed them? Also what about Seth Rich, wasn't he involved in DNC leaks?
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Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party
#37What's worse DNC dirts or who exposed them? Also what about Seth Rich, wasn't he involved in DNC leaks?
Nope. https://www.snopes.com/seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks-murder/
(Fox gave this conspiracy an air of legitimacy despite no evidence, and then quietly removed the stories from their website without ever apologizing or clarifying.)
Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party
#38It's not completely surprising the Dutch were looking into Cozy Bear. The Dutch led the investigation into the MH17 shoot-down, and Russian misinformation groups (of which Cozy Bear was one) have been working hard on that, too.
Now I wonder if the US, as a return favor, shared their intel on the MH17 incident too. I mean that was an actual act of physical aggression by the Russians where citizens died - something that hasn't happened between Russia and the US, well, ever.
> US, as a return favor, shared their intel on the MH17 incident too.
As I can remember US told the world that it MH-17 was shot by a missile (not Ukrainian jet, as Russia tried to imply for months) and most probably Russian missile - and all of it almost immediately after the tragedy.
Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party
#39This revelation brings a lot of things into focus for me. One, is that it finally sheds light onto that very large and disruptive attack on State Dept back in 2014. It was assumed it was a state actor, and now we know it was Russia.
Secondly is how important our allies are in this new era of clandestine cyber-warfare. Who knows how much damage that attack could've done without AIVD's assistance.
Third is that allied intelligence agencies are probably playing a significant role in unraveling the Trump/Russia scandal. Maybe a lot of the intel won't be declassified for some time, but I have to think that the Special Counsel has received tips from our NATO and FVEY partners that will help them crack the case.
Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party
#40This revelation brings a lot of things into focus for me. One, is that it finally sheds light onto that very large and disruptive attack on State Dept back in 2014. It was assumed it was a state actor, and now we know it was Russia. Secondly is how important our allies are in this new era of clandestine cyber-warfare. Who knows how much damage that attack could've done without AIVD's assistance. Third is that allied…
You have no idea how much damage the Trump administration has done to America's relations abroad.