Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years • Hacker News Board

Re: Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years

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Post by ceejayoz » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 2:20 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #47

acdha wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You never know how their orders may change, however. We’re seeing people deported for minor crimes committed decades ago, before they were legal adults, and most people would have said that wouldn’t happen until the last year or two. Another, in some ways more important, point is the reminder that all of the people who spent years spamming forums about how bitcoin is secure & anonymous are not good sources of advice…

> We're seeing people deported for minor crimes committed decades ago, before they were legal adults [citation needed] Not that I don't believe you but I honestly haven't heard of this.

The DACA "Dreamers" are all potentially in this category.

There's also this case: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/01/2...

> According to his “notice to appear” from the Department of Homeland Security, Niec’s detention stems from two misdemeanor convictions from 26 years ago. In January 1992, Niec was convicted of malicious destruction of property under $100. In April of that year, he was convicted of receiving and concealing stolen property over $100 and a financial transaction device... Both of the offenses took place when he was a teenager.

Re: Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years

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Post by WillReplyfFood » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 2:22 PM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #26

ssharp wrote: post #24

> You might already regret that decision, for any number of reasons. After all, the four bitcoins you spent on that bag of hallucinogenic mushrooms would now be worth about as much as an Alfa Romeo. It's not like they just happened to have some bitcoins and realized they could buy drugs with them. They only bought the bitcoins so they could buy drugs.

Plus, the dollars the author had in their wallet could also have been used for buying Bitcoins which would now be worth an Alfa Romeo, so everyone can regret their purchasing decisions, not just people who already held Bitcoins.

Why not circular causality - the losses made with buying drugs with bitcoins, drove them to take drugs in the first place..

Re: Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years

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Post by gomox » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 2:24 PM UTC

nukeop wrote: post #7

amelius wrote: post #3

> ... the evidence of that drug deal may still be hanging around in plain view of law enforcement, even years after the Silk Road was torn off the dark web. How about your delivery address being in the merchant's raided servers?

You don't seriously think people order drugs to their own addresses, right?

Consider this:

People order pills online on an anonymous site designed for people to be untrackable, using anonymous methods of payment, and then ingest the aforementioned pills they received in the mail from China without a second thought.

I would say compared to getting poisoned with unknown substances, trouble with the law seems like a distant secondary issue.

Re: Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years

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Post by technofiend » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 2:35 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #46

herbst wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is in fact the last thing you should do according to every single buyer guide. Postal service would assume there is something fishy going on.

It is, yet I still routinely receive mail for two previous tenants of the house we now own. If you're a regular purchaser then yes it will be weird is suddenly a previous tenant starts receiving packages every few weeks on a regular interval and they're not getting returned. But the real reason you shouldn't do it is that you don't actually get any deniability. John Doe who used to live at my address is not going to…

I'm still getting the occasional piece of mail for previous tenants and I've owned my house since 2004. Of course rampant package theft means anything sent to my house is stolen within minutes, so all you're doing is buying free stuff for thieves. I've long ago switched to a post office box.

Re: Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years

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Post by dfischer » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 2:38 PM UTC

nukeop wrote: post #7

amelius wrote: post #3

> ... the evidence of that drug deal may still be hanging around in plain view of law enforcement, even years after the Silk Road was torn off the dark web. How about your delivery address being in the merchant's raided servers?

You don't seriously think people order drugs to their own addresses, right?

That’s exactly what people do.

Re: Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 2:42 PM UTC

ssharp wrote: post #24

> You might already regret that decision, for any number of reasons. After all, the four bitcoins you spent on that bag of hallucinogenic mushrooms would now be worth about as much as an Alfa Romeo. It's not like they just happened to have some bitcoins and realized they could buy drugs with them. They only bought the bitcoins so they could buy drugs.

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Re: Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years

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Post by duckwheat » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 2:48 PM UTC

technofiend wrote: post #54

pc86 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, yet I still routinely receive mail for two previous tenants of the house we now own. If you're a regular purchaser then yes it will be weird is suddenly a previous tenant starts receiving packages every few weeks on a regular interval and they're not getting returned. But the real reason you shouldn't do it is that you don't actually get any deniability. John Doe who used to live at my address is not going to…

I'm still getting the occasional piece of mail for previous tenants and I've owned my house since 2004. Of course rampant package theft means anything sent to my house is stolen within minutes, so all you're doing is buying free stuff for thieves. I've long ago switched to a post office box.

Is package theft really that bad/fast where you live?

Re: Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 3:06 PM UTC

nukeop wrote: post #7

amelius wrote: post #3

> ... the evidence of that drug deal may still be hanging around in plain view of law enforcement, even years after the Silk Road was torn off the dark web. How about your delivery address being in the merchant's raided servers?

You don't seriously think people order drugs to their own addresses, right?

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Re: Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years

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Post by Broken_Hippo » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 3:07 PM UTC

empath75 wrote: post #2

I doubt prosecutors in the us at least are gonna care that you ordered shrooms from the Silk Road ten years ago. Might come up if they want to get a security clearance or run for office, though.

I doubt prosecutors in the us at least are gonna care that you ordered shrooms from the Silk Road ten years ago.

Unless it is an election year or they don't like you. This last case is especially true if you live in a small town. Or you get in trouble years later for something unrelated and they want to portray you as a lifelong criminal.

I know a dude that got in trouble as a minor. But generally got his life together afterwards. Worked, paid his parents back the money he (they) were charged, went to school, and wanted to join the military. They wanted his record expunged (sealed in a way that it never happened). The prosecutor decided he hadn't paid enough for his crime. Had he done any of this stuff and they could prove it, he'd have had to go to court over it, I'm pretty sure. Luckily the judge didn't agree and the dude got his wish (though never joined the military).

That type of petty shit is pretty rampant.

Re: Bitcoin drug deals could haunt people for years

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Post by Sangermaine » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 3:09 PM UTC

buildbuildbuild wrote: post #9

nukeop wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't seriously think people order drugs to their own addresses, right?

I would not be surprised if, despite publicly harping about solid OPSEC, many users get tired and negligent.

This true for almost everyone. Most people are not nearly as careful and clever as they think they are. Many criminals, including Ross Ulbricht, get caught due to some small mistake or oversight. In reality it's very hard to maintain perfect security discipline forever.