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Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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It's not completely surprising the Dutch were looking into Cozy Bear. The Dutch led the investigation into the MH17 shoot-down, and Russian misinformation groups (of which Cozy Bear was one) have been working hard on that, too.

Apparently this started before the MH17 shootdown.

Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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post #8

I'm I the only one who does not believe a word any intel agency says? Paid liars. They better not at all talk to the public that they "vow to protect" (my ass). We need more leakers, they, IMHO, show more truth: that they are paid (by us the people) liars.

Me neither. And the Dutch MSM have always been toeing the Democratic party line.

I remember Reagan being painted almost as a devil in the eighties.

Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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Apparently Dutch intel had pretty deep access into the Russian systems. Going so far as even screenshotting people's faces as they appear on their security cameras. Read this article; an in depth analasys directly from source.: https://www.volkskrant.nl/media/dutch-agencies-provide-cruci... Seriously, everyone here will find this a fascinating read. It's almost like a thriller. From the article: Using so-called comma…

I'm actually impressed by our AIVD. Being Dutch, I always assumed our intelligence service were sheep in a world of wild animals; SAP consultants among elite hackers. This shows I was wrong, they seem to be actually competent and doing good work. Maybe I'll even rethink my opinion on the dragnet surveillance law that we will be voting on...

AIVD is very impressive. It is nowhere near as well funded as foreign intelligence services but they are at the top of their game.

That should not change your opinion on the dragnet surveillance though, especially because that will simply increase the size of the haystack with the same number of needles and so will take attention away from things that urgently require it. Dragnet surveillance is a net negative when you are resource constrained.

Another Dutch official entity that has my admiration is the anti-child porn division, they are quite capable and deal with some of the worst stuff the internet has to offer.

Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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post #10

It's not completely surprising the Dutch were looking into Cozy Bear. The Dutch led the investigation into the MH17 shoot-down, and Russian misinformation groups (of which Cozy Bear was one) have been working hard on that, too.

Apparently this started before the MH17 shootdown.

Yes, read-reading it it looks like you are right.

Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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post #8

I'm I the only one who does not believe a word any intel agency says? Paid liars. They better not at all talk to the public that they "vow to protect" (my ass). We need more leakers, they, IMHO, show more truth: that they are paid (by us the people) liars.

> I'm I the only one who does not believe a word any intel agency says?

Which words in particular do you not believe? If an intel agency tells you they are gathering intel on geopolitical adversaries that sounds pretty plausible to me. And in this case there seems to be plenty of corroboration from other sources - not that that should have ever happened.

Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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post #8

I'm I the only one who does not believe a word any intel agency says? Paid liars. They better not at all talk to the public that they "vow to protect" (my ass). We need more leakers, they, IMHO, show more truth: that they are paid (by us the people) liars.

The outlets who published this news (Volkskrant and NOS) are reliable, and even the responsible minister has more-or-less confirmed the story.

Of course, this news comes at a time when there is a (non-binding) ballot coming about dragnet surveillance here. So clearly this news is helpful for some parties.

Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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post #8

I'm I the only one who does not believe a word any intel agency says? Paid liars. They better not at all talk to the public that they "vow to protect" (my ass). We need more leakers, they, IMHO, show more truth: that they are paid (by us the people) liars.

The outlets who published this news (Volkskrant and NOS) are reliable, and even the responsible minister has more-or-less confirmed the story. Of course, this news comes at a time when there is a (non-binding) ballot coming about dragnet surveillance here. So clearly this news is helpful for some parties.

Reliable.. LOL.

Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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post #8

I'm I the only one who does not believe a word any intel agency says? Paid liars. They better not at all talk to the public that they "vow to protect" (my ass). We need more leakers, they, IMHO, show more truth: that they are paid (by us the people) liars.

The outlets who published this news (Volkskrant and NOS) are reliable, and even the responsible minister has more-or-less confirmed the story. Of course, this news comes at a time when there is a (non-binding) ballot coming about dragnet surveillance here. So clearly this news is helpful for some parties.

Keep in mind that the story broke in the United States first because someone could not keep their mouth shut, effectively destroying this operation.

Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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post #8

I'm I the only one who does not believe a word any intel agency says? Paid liars. They better not at all talk to the public that they "vow to protect" (my ass). We need more leakers, they, IMHO, show more truth: that they are paid (by us the people) liars.

The outlets who published this news (Volkskrant and NOS) are reliable, and even the responsible minister has more-or-less confirmed the story. Of course, this news comes at a time when there is a (non-binding) ballot coming about dragnet surveillance here. So clearly this news is helpful for some parties.

NOS is our public broadcaster and is by definition not independent.

Volkskrant is known to fabricate fake news long before the word existed ( i.e. the 'Martel hoax' )

Re: Dutch intelligence first to alert U.S. about Russian hack of Democratic Party

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Apparently Dutch intel had pretty deep access into the Russian systems. Going so far as even screenshotting people's faces as they appear on their security cameras. Read this article; an in depth analasys directly from source.: https://www.volkskrant.nl/media/dutch-agencies-provide-cruci... Seriously, everyone here will find this a fascinating read. It's almost like a thriller. From the article: Using so-called comma…

To be honest, this is very standard tradecraft to security folks.

If this kind of thing is interesting, I’d recommend a read of Kim Zetters “countdown to zero day” about stuxnet. A piece of malware potentially as old as 2005, but an order of magnitude more sophisticated than what’s being described with the DNC

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