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Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by salvar »

lostgame wrote: post #391
reubenswartz wrote: post #306

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Yeah, I think a similar video played before the start of the show, about how you paid all this money to be here, why see it through a small screen as if you were on YouTube, combined with a few people actually getting kicked out, would work wonders. They can have a moment in the show for everyone who "needs" a picture or a brief video can take one. And just let everyone know that the whole show will be on YouTube in…

>> And just let everyone know that the whole show will be on YouTube in good quality later-- no need to take your own. Um, it increases costs a lot to film a show, you realize this, right? And if the show was available on YouTube for free, don't you think it would potentially impact sales?

"Why bother going to the live show when I can sit at home watching a Youtube video instead?" is something I don't think many people think. The video doesn't replace the experience.

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Post by maxehmookau »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #155
maxehmookau wrote: post #108

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I agree, the safety aspects of this are shocking and the 'be free of phones' puritanism is a bit dull. A _very_ strict code of conduct for attendees is something that can (and does) work. Jazz pianist, Keith Jarrett has been known to stop his 4-hour long improvisation sessions in some of the world's most prestigous venues mid-flow to dress down an attendee trying to film him. People don't make that mistake twice. htt…

My goodness, all those people who went to concerts before cell phones must have been so hardcore, taking risks like that. My guess is that if you put your phone away you're less likely to hurt from, you know, other people doing the stupid stuff they do at concerts. I understand that people want video, so they can post it, and get their dopa-soc on Facebook, or wherever, but seriously, musical artists (especially the…

Look at the Manchester Arena bombing last year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing

Thousands of unaccompanied teenagers subjected to a bomb attack. Without access to their phones, this could've been so much worse.

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Post by dazc »

davb wrote: post #87

I experienced the Yondr phone prison last night for the first time (at a Chris Rock show). While I detest people being disruptive with their phones, I don’t think this is the right solution. From a practical standpoint, it took a lot longer to get into and out of the venue when phones had to be locked up. Checking your phone when you pop out to the toilet meant waiting in a queue to have your phone unlocked, and bein…

'At the extreme end, you’ve got things like the Manchester bombing, where access to a phone would be a useful thing.'

If this is your normal way of thinking the terrorists have beaten you already.

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Post by dazc »

ManuelKiessling wrote: post #276
CUViper wrote: post #246

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Part of my human experience may include checking how the babysitter is doing with the kids. I'm not going to do that in a way that disrupts the show, but I still want that access.

How did people do that before there were cell phones?

'How did people do that before there were cell phones? reply'

I used to sit for my nieces and nephews before mobiles were in common usage. My sister would give me the number of the place they were going in case there was a problem.

Of course, this was useless if they had gone to somewhere where there may be more than a couple of dozen people?

So, in reality, people used to hire baby sitters and just trust them to be able to cope. It's not as if you could do much from the other end of a phone if there actually was an emergency?

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Post by CaptainZapp »

kalleboo wrote: post #412
jonnycomputer wrote: post #155

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My goodness, all those people who went to concerts before cell phones must have been so hardcore, taking risks like that. My guess is that if you put your phone away you're less likely to hurt from, you know, other people doing the stupid stuff they do at concerts. I understand that people want video, so they can post it, and get their dopa-soc on Facebook, or wherever, but seriously, musical artists (especially the…

Here in Japan, most concerts have a strict no-photos policy. In smaller venues, I've seen this enforced by guards shining bright focused flashlights at you if you try to take a photo/video. Seems to work well. Some artists stop to do a "ok let's all take a photo together now" bit near the end for those who want a memory.

What I really loved about phone use (or better: not use) in Japan is the rules on trains.

While eating some lovely fermented fish dish out of a bento box is completely acceptable using your phone to make calls is definitely not.

My understanding was (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that in the Shinkansen you can move out of the car to make a call, in local public transport it's an absolute no!no! (well, probably the bento box is also not that hot an idea in public transport).

With very, very few exceptions (mostly by foreigners) I've experienced this rule as respected.

I had a hard time adapting back in Europe with all the noise and chatter going on permanently.

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Post by DoubleGlazing »

davb wrote: post #87

I experienced the Yondr phone prison last night for the first time (at a Chris Rock show). While I detest people being disruptive with their phones, I don’t think this is the right solution. From a practical standpoint, it took a lot longer to get into and out of the venue when phones had to be locked up. Checking your phone when you pop out to the toilet meant waiting in a queue to have your phone unlocked, and bein…

I agree. I'm an adult, if you ask me to not use my phone I will comply. If other adults can't do the same, then simply ask them to leave.

Yondr feels patronising, almost like we are being treated like children.

That being said, I generally don't go to gigs anymore because its getting more like flying. Expensive tickets with hidden fees, being forced to queue neatly like school children, searches, and then the overpriced food and drink. This is just one more thing to add to the list.

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Post by jhasse »

orbitur wrote: post #262
rapnie wrote: post #232

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i survived the era before mobile.. it wasn't that scary :)

You probably also survived an era without baby monitors. Doesn't mean life isn't unconditionally better with them.

I remember a baby crying for 20 minutes before someone noticed. Nothing happenend.

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Post by antris »

banhfun wrote: post #399
habosa wrote: post #397

I honestly hope every single concert goes this way. I go to a lot of concerts (~15 concerts and a big festival in a normal year). I have noticed that there is so little real connection between the musician and the audience anymore. Everyone is just talking to their friends (over the music) and waiting for the one big hit to come on so they can fill their Snapchat story. A concert is a really special thing. Music is t…

People enjoy concerts for different reasons and in different ways. I don’t see why we should deny them the freedom just because you appreciate events different.

The thing is, when you create a sea of people looking at the concert through their phones, you have already ruined the concert for the people who want to live in the moment and just experience the concert as is. The phone ban is created exactly for that reason: so that people can enjoy the concert without having other people decide for you that the concert is much better enjoyed when 20 phones are blocking your view.

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Post by thecatspaw »

nicky0 wrote: post #335
throwaway43532 wrote: post #307

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"Hey throwaway43532, [PERSON] just found out you're at [PLACE] and is on their way with a weapon. I contacted the authorities, but you need to get out of there now!" might be a severe example. There are many situations where a cell phone can allow you to send or receive information that could tip the scales in your favor.

If you live inside a Hollywood action movie, yes.

"hey the dangerous stalker you have had since 5 years found out you are going to this concert."

Does it still sound like hollywood?

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Post by PuffinBlue »

phaus wrote: post #411
ken wrote: post #189

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I think the viscerality of this response is fascinating. Putting your phone in a case is a "prison", and you must check it every time you go to the toilet, and you're concerned about a terrorist attack -- enough to want your phone, but not enough to stay home, as if your apps could somehow save you. > Treat people like adults. If they break the rules, ask them to leave. Isn't that what we've been trying for the past…

>you're concerned about a terrorist attack -- enough to want your phone, but not enough to stay home, as if your apps could somehow save you. It should be pretty obvious that a terrorist attack is simply one example of many possible emergencies. There are plenty of things that could happen where having instant access to a phone could save someone's life.

What sort of emergencies are you referring to?

Obviously remember we're talking about a public event here with organisers/security and infrastructure so I'd be interested to hear in what cases only the existence of a mobile phone would save someones life.

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