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Re: Apple rejects Puffin Browser on iOS

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Post by candiodari »

lesiva wrote: post #40
rgovostes wrote: post #18

This whole post is manipulative bullshit. > Apple, concerned about the rising competition, decided to sabotage Puffin in order to protect the billions of dollars of search revenue from Google. Settings → Safari → Search Engine → Yahoo/Bing/DuckDuckGo. There, look, no Google. The next sentence: > Puffin releases were rejected citing app review guideline 2.5.6: "Apps that browse the web must use the appropriate WebKit…

I can see why they're concerned that they can't update the app, but they're playing in a walled garden and they knew that from the get-go. I think this is a pretty weak complaint and it lacks any real substance.

That's the thing I miss most about Microsoft's dominance though : no walled garden.

Now apple has a heavy handed walled garden, and Google has a heavy-handed one (chrome/chromeos) and a "light" one, in android. All ... well, suck.

Re: Apple rejects Puffin Browser on iOS

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Post by pingyen »

joshuaturner wrote: post #25
pilif wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Puffin is a victim of Apple’s abuse. Puffin is a server-based web browser where web browser sessions are executed on the cloud servers You and me know to not use something like this for any kind of sensitive site. But the common iOS user doesn’t know this. Apple is protecting their users and their platform. It’s 2018. making a web browser where all traffic goes through the browser makers server, being unencrypted an…

Especially when you read their privacy policy, realize they're a Chinese company, and see this: "However, be aware of the possibility of surveillance by intelligence agencies in your home country and our home country."

Puffin is not a Chinese company.

Re: Apple rejects Puffin Browser on iOS

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Post by indubitable »

csydas wrote: post #37
indubitable wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your first example is somewhat disingenuous. The vast majority of people will never change their default settings on the vast majority of things. The ability to change something does not contradict the view that a company is engaging in that behavior, and persisting it, for money. E.g. Mozilla/Firefox recently swapping to Google as their default browser would be the same thing, even if they know it's likely s…

I get what you're saying, but your point is also self-defeating for your argument. I would posit that someone who goes out of their way to install Puffin for its benefits would also be aware enough of the ability to change search providers. I have difficulty envisioning the user interested enough to research alternative browsers that are not Safari/Chrome/Firefox who also is not aware of changing default search setti…

It's not just those that would be aware of changing default search settings, but those that actually would. So we have a Venn Diagram of users that would be willing to try out something marketed as "a wicked fast mobile browser" and those that would go out of their way to change Google as the default search engine. What's the exact intersection there? I think we're both left to just wildly speculate, but I do think we can agree it wouldn't be even remotely close to 100%.

Re: Apple rejects Puffin Browser on iOS

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Post by touringcomplete »

melloclello wrote: post #20
rgovostes wrote: post #18

This whole post is manipulative bullshit. > Apple, concerned about the rising competition, decided to sabotage Puffin in order to protect the billions of dollars of search revenue from Google. Settings → Safari → Search Engine → Yahoo/Bing/DuckDuckGo. There, look, no Google. The next sentence: > Puffin releases were rejected citing app review guideline 2.5.6: "Apps that browse the web must use the appropriate WebKit…

Quite sincerely, they should just look into running WebKit server-side. That said, in my experience if Apple has secretly decided they don't like you, they tend to move the goalposts on you in subsequent reviews, so migrating their systems to WebKit may not be time well spent.

Server-side??? Apple requires apps use the Apple WebKit framework only for web content, which runs only on the client-side. The point of Puffin is to run Flash and other desktop crapware websites that don’t work on Mobile Safari (Apple WebKit) properly.

Puffin isn’t a native or local web browser; it’s an optimized, virtual, remote browser viewer. If they sell it as a “Citrix for the web,” they might have a shot.

Re: Apple rejects Puffin Browser on iOS

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

candiodari wrote: post #41
lesiva wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see why they're concerned that they can't update the app, but they're playing in a walled garden and they knew that from the get-go. I think this is a pretty weak complaint and it lacks any real substance.

That's the thing I miss most about Microsoft's dominance though : no walled garden. Now apple has a heavy handed walled garden, and Google has a heavy-handed one (chrome/chromeos) and a "light" one, in android. All ... well, suck.

If Microsoft thought they could get away with a walled garden then they would do it in a flash.

Re: Apple rejects Puffin Browser on iOS

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Post by hungerstrike »

martin_bech wrote: post #16
pier25 wrote: post #13

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If this is really the case it’s nonsense that an iOS policy would extend into your servers too.

The problem isnt that its serverside, its thats a different renderingengine, and therefor visually could/is rendering differently than safari/webkit.

Who cares?

There are tons of games in the App Store with custom user interfaces that don’t match anything from Apple.

Re: Apple rejects Puffin Browser on iOS

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Post by khc »

pilif wrote: post #19
trynumber9 wrote: post #3

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>Puffin is a victim of Apple’s abuse. Puffin is a server-based web browser where web browser sessions are executed on the cloud servers You and me know to not use something like this for any kind of sensitive site. But the common iOS user doesn’t know this. Apple is protecting their users and their platform. It’s 2018. making a web browser where all traffic goes through the browser makers server, being unencrypted an…

And somehow that's ok if it's webkit?

Re: Apple rejects Puffin Browser on iOS

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Post by melloclello »

touringcomplete wrote: post #44
melloclello wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite sincerely, they should just look into running WebKit server-side. That said, in my experience if Apple has secretly decided they don't like you, they tend to move the goalposts on you in subsequent reviews, so migrating their systems to WebKit may not be time well spent.

Server-side??? Apple requires apps use the Apple WebKit framework only for web content, which runs only on the client-side. The point of Puffin is to run Flash and other desktop crapware websites that don’t work on Mobile Safari (Apple WebKit) properly. Puffin isn’t a native or local web browser; it’s an optimized, virtual, remote browser viewer. If they sell it as a “Citrix for the web,” they might have a shot.

Ah, I didn't realise that was Puffin's use case.
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