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Ask HN: Do You Consider Remote a Working Perk?

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Re: Ask HN: Do You Consider Remote a Working Perk?

#11
It’s possible they are considering cost of living (e.g. you can live “as well” nowhere near Silicon Valley on half the salary, depending). If that were true though, they should also be expecting to “up” their offer if you were remoting from downtown Manhattan or something.

Ultimately, you decide if the offer is what you wanted.

Re: Ask HN: Do You Consider Remote a Working Perk?

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I work, "working from home" is code for "checking email a few times during the day so it appears I'm at least somewhat engaged, while really doing very little at all yet not using a PTO day." Too hard to get anything done when others you need to collaborate with are not there.

Yes, it only works (from the employers point of view) if the following are true: 1. the employee either genuinely enjoys the work or genuinely cares about the company 2. the employee has not become cynical about the company, even if (1) was originally true. In most lines of work these are unlikely to be true for most people. However, software engineering can, if you're lucky, have an addictive quality and be intellec…

You left out the critical ingredient: the company has to have remote-first DNA. If they aren't set up to handle that style of employee, its going to result in a hire that feels isolated and who will very probably experience being passed over for anything interesting. Remote-first implies all kinds of things, up to and including having slack convos with someone sitting one desk over, and most companies just don't care enough to put the effort in to make a truly remote friendly workplace.

Re: Ask HN: Do You Consider Remote a Working Perk?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Commuting cost time also. If your rate is $80/hour, that really adds up if you have a one hour commute each way with traffic.

I live in Los Angeles. If the company is in New York, does that mean I should take out the price of plane tickets for each way?

The comparison doesn't make sense in a vacuum.

If you live in Hollywood and the job you want is in Santa Monica, then you would add some time for that. If the remote ob is just as good, you could save some time and not go to Santa Monica.

If your ideal job is already down the street from where you live, then remote doesn't offer much commute advantage.

Re: Ask HN: Do You Consider Remote a Working Perk?

#15
> They replied, "Can you consider coming down since this is a remote position?"

It's a perk in the sense that you're not paying bay area rents. If you're in a high CoL area and want to say, applying to remote positions is an uphill battle, as the chief reason most companies want to look remote is to expand their recruiting reach without raising wages, and hoping to lower them.

Re: Ask HN: Do You Consider Remote a Working Perk?

#18
As computers start to code themselves, remote work will become essential as people (in theory) will have more time to live their day to day lives. But remote working is not that big a perk per se. What is modern work going to be about when it is just metrics and data? we need to rebuild a lot of communities and networks with our new (hopefully) time rich societies.

Re: Ask HN: Do You Consider Remote a Working Perk?

#19

In some situations it would be said you are being too literal? Sometimes when people negotiate they say "can you do x because y" where y is just a plausible way to ask for x. It is often more graceful than just saying "we don't want to pay that much."

im not following, can you explain what you mean a little more thoroughly?

Re: Ask HN: Do You Consider Remote a Working Perk?

#20
No, working remotely isn't a perk, it's simply: work.

[Use of the term "telecommuting" seems like another common giveaway, where and when it appears.]

The teams I've worked with have never had difficulty with communicating and collaborating, meeting deadlines and "innovating," and I highly doubt that we're all ninjas (because surely I am not).

Typical was my last position: I never clocked in from 9-5, usually from the early morning hours until late at night, to provide time zone coverage and purely out of interest and the desire to be a contributing member of the team, with several breaks included for meals, exercise, etc. Flexibility meant I was more likely to contribute, rather than less. (So many entities fail to understand this basic human dynamic. Instead create a prison, and watch how the inmates adapt and behave.)

I'm mostly able to control my environment, which means a quiet space in which to work, free from the distractions of my cube-dwelling days (though at least those had walls).

It's simply natural to work together remotely at this point, and I frequently notice how it provides companies with other tangible benefits, which I think some fail to consider.

I'd say some are trapped in a twentieth century mindset, but perhaps we're stuck here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_system.

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