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Re: 2018 Stellar roadmap

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In 2014, Stripe gave Stellar a $3 million loan in exchange for 2 billion lumens, which is now worth around $2 billion. They still have those lumens. I wonder why they would drop bitcoin support and start pushing Stellar...

> 2 billion lumens, which is now worth around $2 billion That's a bit exaggerated. Lumens are currently trading at $0.58 and such a big sale would have a high impact cost too.

Indeed, this is my biggest issue with all the market-cap numbers we keep seeing.

The market-cap is a made-up number calculated by (current_price x num_tokens). Except that current_price isn't fixed and the buying and selling will change it. You aren't selling to an infinite buyer market either, so you can't just sell everything at once to extract that value in one go.

Re: 2018 Stellar roadmap

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And here‘s the problem with cryptocurrencies: They might have all kinds of use cases, but people just see a quick way to get rich.

I agree with you in general but in my case, Bitcoin had already experienced several booms and I was aware of the crypto-[mb]illionaires back then. Either way, if I would've jumped on the "get rich" bandwagon, I might actually be today.

Don't feel bad.

I made and lost 30k speculating on dumb stuff like Mazacoin and Auroracoin. I avoided looking up any numbers for a long time, but my non-tech friend asked me the other day what it would have been worth. If I had invested 20k of that in the Ethereum presale, it would be worth 30 to 40 million dollars (or would have been when the market was high).

Could kick yourself for stuff like that (I read the initial posts about Eth here on HN, figured it would be valuable, didn't know how soon it would be valuable), but the market was scammy even then. Mazacoin was supposedly going to be the first official coin of one of the Sioux reservations; that was exaggerated, didn't keep it from spiking 10x overnight.

There's nothing special about making a fortune gambling and taking money off other dummies throwing money into the hype. Regular people are getting hurt by this. For every big winner, there's some family who had a dad who mortgaged their house and lost it all. Maybe that's post hoc justification of missing out, but there's nothing to be proud of.

edit: doing the math as of today; $24k would have bought you about 80k Ether at the presale price of 2k eth per Bitcoin (about $600). 1 eth is about $1050 today, at a value of $1k that's 80 million dollars. The fortunes that people can and have made at out of this are absurd.

Re: 2018 Stellar roadmap

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Two days ago, Stripe announced they were dropping Bitcoin. And now Stellar (A Stripe-seeded company) announces their 2018 plans. Good job on the guy that saw it coming in HN comments ! Note: I'm not bashing Stellar, I'm actually a big fan. : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16216329

I feel really stupid. Back in 2015, their lead scientist David Mazières explained Stellar consensus protocol inside the Gates computer science building at Stanford to a small group of people back when Lumens were worthless. I was in that group of people and I completely missed the boat.

It's all speculation. There are tons of markets out there seeing similar inflation, though the geek crowd only focuses on the cryptocurrencies.

Like all speculation, for every winner there are hundreds of losers, and hindsight is 20/20 but it's impossible to reasonably predict the future outcome.

Don't worry about it :)

Re: 2018 Stellar roadmap

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> 2 billion lumens, which is now worth around $2 billion That's a bit exaggerated. Lumens are currently trading at $0.58 and such a big sale would have a high impact cost too.

Only if you sell them all at once

Only if you sell them all in your lifetime, I would bet.

Re: 2018 Stellar roadmap

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They dropped Bitcoin because transaction fees are really high, and the bitcoin core team has no intention of solving the problem. Maybe in 18 months, when the mythical lightning network gets released they will add it back. But not now.

You do realize that there are literally people buying coffee in meatspace today using lightning? https://twitter.com/alexbosworth/status/955870434230132736

From your link:

> but it's just a test version so it could easily break.

> There’s no mainnet wallets available for regular users, but you can try testnet.

> This is all a work in progress,

Somewhere in a lab on this planet they might have a flying car, that doesn't mean you can use one any time soon.

Re: 2018 Stellar roadmap

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It was initially a fork of Ripple but has since been rewritten. Stellar is more decentralized, because each node decides which others to trust. In the Ripple network, certain nodes have been blessed as "validating nodes". There's a Stellar StackExchange question which goes into the differences a bit more: https://stellar.stackexchange.com/a/57/9

It's a private beta. What's the basis for trusting the peer nodes?

Crap. I'll reproduce the answer here, then:

> Tl;dr: Stellar’s protocol (SCP) uses a decentralized state propagation where each node commits to a value if every node it deems trustworthy agrees while Ripple uses a supermajority vote (80%) among all validating nodes. Stellar achieves better decentralization than Ripple

> A pretty old, but still relevant discussion on the bitcoin stack exchange [https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/29815/what-is-th...]

> Stellar started out as a fork of Ripple (now completely rewritten) so they are pretty similar in implementation and use cases.

> Stellar uses the Stellar Consensus Protocol [https://medium.com/a-stellar-journey/on-worldwide-consensus-...] (SCP) to achieve decentralization, while Ripple uses the XRP Ledger Consensus Process [https://ripple.com/build/xrp-ledger-consensus-process/]. These are alternatives to Bitcoin's proof of work whose goal is to have every participant in the network agree on the current state.

> In SCP, each node decides for itself which other nodes it trusts. When a lot of these sets of trusted nodes are overlapping, there is a high probability there is agreement on the state of the network. Broadly, a node will only accept a message if all of their trustworthy nodes have in turn accepted it. This is similar to the way internet certificates and DNS servers are working. In principle, there is no central authority appointing trustworthy nodes, but de facto, the network will reach an agreement on which nodes are trustworthy. This is a great video explaining SCP in detail [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmwnhZmEZjc]. There is also the white paper [https://www.stellar.org/papers/stellar-consensus-protocol.pd...] for more formal mathematical definitions.

> Ripple on the other hand uses a set of special nodes called "validating nodes". A new state is transmitted to all validating nodes and whenever 80% of them agree on it, the ledger is updated. Anyone can launch a validating node, but Ripple recommends they register and disclose their identity [https://ripple.com/dev-blog/validator-registry/]. In principle, this model doesn't make Ripple less decentralized than Stellar. However, in practice, the company Ripple controls most validating nodes, as there is no incentive for anyone to run these nodes (transaction fees are destroyed). You can see a list of validating nodes here: https://xrpcharts.ripple.com/#/validators

> Another difference is that Ripple is a deflationary currency (a certain amount of XRP is destroyed at each transaction to prevent spamming the network), while Stellar is inflationary. This doesn't necessarily mean that Ripple is a better store of value, since all inflation is returned to Stellar users through inflation pools.

> Other than the technology, it is important to mention differences between development philosophies that are driving the two projects: XRP is developed by a for-profit company (Ripple) while Stellar is developed by the Stellar Development Foundation which is a non-profit. Stellar places a greater emphasis on serving the underbanked and facilitating payments between individuals across borders, while Ripple is mainly focused on financial institutions.

Re: 2018 Stellar roadmap

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Heh, remembered they existed because of the hype on it now. Turns out I had the 5000 signup stellar coins lying around. Easiest 2700 bucks I ever made. Who the hell is buying these things.

I made $2900, didn't even know it was a currency back in 2014 when I signed up

2900?? are you telling me I lost 200 dollars early selling?? Time to buy 50k worth now!

Re: 2018 Stellar roadmap

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Two days ago, Stripe announced they were dropping Bitcoin. And now Stellar (A Stripe-seeded company) announces their 2018 plans. Good job on the guy that saw it coming in HN comments ! Note: I'm not bashing Stellar, I'm actually a big fan. : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16216329

It's been public since about Jan 3 that the roadmap would be released on/around Jan 25. Here's the earliest mention I can find (it might not be the earliest mention, though):

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellar/comments/7ntt4w/notes_from_...

Re: 2018 Stellar roadmap

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As many developers visit HN I will use this opportunity to advertise the Stellar Build challenge[1]. I participated in the past and it's great. Especially to build some fun side projects, learn about distributed ledgers and earn a bit of money. [1]: https://www.stellar.org/lumens/build/

You can make well over a few thousand dollars for learning about crypto and working on a interesting side-project. I agree to this. If you are interested in getting involved with building a crypto project, but can't justify the time: check this out. Stellar runs a monthly give away of Stellar coins for submissions by developers. They set out a overall vision of projects, and reward a certain designated amount of coin…

Not true. Have you even read the link?
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