I don't know, how about we embrace mobile phones in gigs instead? Arcade Fire, for instance, asked the audience to turn their flash light on during their last song (don't remember which one it was) last time I saw them. It was beautiful from where I was standing at that moment.
And there's also a video of Win Butler taking a mobile phone from someone in the audience and recording himself for a few seconds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpgyv6naF3M).
I'm sure that someone with more creativity than I have could come up with an idea how to use mobile phones to enhance the experience to the audience and the performer, rather than just viewing them as an annoyance.
Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”
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Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”
#292I experienced the Yondr phone prison last night for the first time (at a Chris Rock show). While I detest people being disruptive with their phones, I don’t think this is the right solution. From a practical standpoint, it took a lot longer to get into and out of the venue when phones had to be locked up. Checking your phone when you pop out to the toilet meant waiting in a queue to have your phone unlocked, and bein…
i survived the era before mobile.. it wasn't that scary :)
Of course. The ones who didn't aren't able to comment here.
Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”
#293I experienced the Yondr phone prison last night for the first time (at a Chris Rock show). While I detest people being disruptive with their phones, I don’t think this is the right solution. From a practical standpoint, it took a lot longer to get into and out of the venue when phones had to be locked up. Checking your phone when you pop out to the toilet meant waiting in a queue to have your phone unlocked, and bein…
I think the viscerality of this response is fascinating. Putting your phone in a case is a "prison", and you must check it every time you go to the toilet, and you're concerned about a terrorist attack -- enough to want your phone, but not enough to stay home, as if your apps could somehow save you. > Treat people like adults. If they break the rules, ask them to leave. Isn't that what we've been trying for the past…
I recently attended a Joey Alexander concert at SFJazz. Aside from a clear "no photograph" policy, there are also attendants watching people and reminding them if they took their phones out. It's working but definitely didn't cover all high-profile concerts like the ones featuring Jack White.
Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's imagine that my child is at a party or other social engagement and they want deniable reason to escape. [0] There may be excessive peer pressure, illegal activity, or any other pre-arranged reason they may need to bail on something without incurring the loss of face that could be socially devastating. If I have my phone, they can text me with some pre-arranged message ("x"), and I will feign an emergency and ge…
So, during those times when you're "on call" and need to be responsive to such events, you have to make the decision not to go on camping trips or flights or no-phone events like this one. Right?
With kids you are always "on call".
Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's imagine that my child is at a party or other social engagement and they want deniable reason to escape. [0] There may be excessive peer pressure, illegal activity, or any other pre-arranged reason they may need to bail on something without incurring the loss of face that could be socially devastating. If I have my phone, they can text me with some pre-arranged message ("x"), and I will feign an emergency and ge…
> "Let's imagine that my child is at a party or other social engagement and they want deniable reason to escape. [0] There may be excessive peer pressure, illegal activity, or any other pre-arranged reason they may need to bail on something without incurring the loss of face that could be socially devastating." In that case, I would imagine the child's parents failed in teaching the values of both honesty and courage…
"(...) None of us could live with an habitual truth-teller; but thank goodness none of us has to. An habitual truth-teller is simply an impossible creature; he does not exist; he never has existed. Of course there are people who think they never lie, but it is not so—and this ignorance is one of the very things that shame our so-called civilization. Everybody lies—every day; every hour; awake; asleep; in his dreams; in his joy; in his mourning; if he keeps his tongue still, his hands, his feet, his eyes, his attitude, will convey deception—and purposely. (...)"
Mark Twain, On the Decay of the Art of Lying (http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2572/pg2572.html)
Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”
#296I don't know, how about we embrace mobile phones in gigs instead? Arcade Fire, for instance, asked the audience to turn their flash light on during their last song (don't remember which one it was) last time I saw them. It was beautiful from where I was standing at that moment. And there's also a video of Win Butler taking a mobile phone from someone in the audience and recording himself for a few seconds ( https://w…
>I don't know, how about we embrace mobile phones in gigs instead?
Because its the exact opposite of what he's trying to do here? Music is an inherently human experience, why do we need to bring computers in to all aspects of our life?
Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn’t say that I must check my phone every time I go to the toilet. Only that being able to check my phone (for example, to check if I have any messages from people I care for at home) is a useful thing. And I never said that I was worried about terrorism. Only that having ready access to my phone in any emergency situation (again, I pointed out it would be more likely a fire alarm than a terrorists) is helpful. I…
i think the whole point is not being able to check your phone adds to the human experience
Checking phones is part of the human experience.
Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”
#298For me, as an introvert, having my phone to play a game on has changed everything for me. Instead of not going to a social event at all, or leaving early when I'm feeling drained, I can take out my phone for a few minutes here and there to zone out and recharge my batteries.
If I found out a venue was going to take my phone as I came in, that would be a HARD no for me ever going to that venue. And if I didn't know about it beforehand, I would be extremely irate.
Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think maybe the security guards and other personnel at the venue might have access to phones? Do you think that you in particular are going to be the last resort that manages to reach 911 when nobody else can? It's a weird train of thought to me. Venues are required to have their ducks in a row - emergency plans in place, etc. You not having your phone during the show is not a safety concern.
If a fire breaks out and I have to evacuate a venue, there is a _distinct_ difference in the effect on me if I have to have had my phone locked up. In one case, I leave the facility, get to safety, and then _go home_ (eventually), at which point I have my phone. In the other case, I leave the facility, get to safety, but my phone is either destroyed, or in a pile with 900 other concert-goers' phones, and I need to ei…
> In the other case, I leave the facility, get to safety, but my phone is either destroyed, or in a pile with 900 other concert-goers' phones, and I need to either wait around (in a place where emergency services probably don't want extra people), or _replace my destroyed phone_.
You should check out how Yondr works: https://www.overyondr.com/howitworks/
The phone stays with you.
Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”
#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sarcasm is one of the things which makes comment sections toxic. It's rude, dismissive, and, worst of all, leads to people retroactively claiming a comment which didn't go down well was sarcastic and that everyone who called them out for it was too stupid to notice.
Really? I find the opposite. What makes comment sections toxic TO ME is people on their soapbox scolding others and distracting from the topic at hand. Subjective experience and all that. Sarcasm has existed in human discourse for centuries. Gonna need more than your take on it to accept it's as damaging as you claim.
Sarcasm is an ok thing in mediums where there are side channel cues that the user is being sarcastic. Unfortunately, it doesn't carry well in writing, unless you're extremely clear about it.
I don't think it adds anything to an online comments board / discussion. And in some cases, it detracts. It often just comes across as hostility.