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Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

#191

Post by pavel_lishin » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:00 PM UTC

ken wrote: post #189

davb wrote: post #87

I experienced the Yondr phone prison last night for the first time (at a Chris Rock show). While I detest people being disruptive with their phones, I don’t think this is the right solution. From a practical standpoint, it took a lot longer to get into and out of the venue when phones had to be locked up. Checking your phone when you pop out to the toilet meant waiting in a queue to have your phone unlocked, and bein…

I think the viscerality of this response is fascinating. Putting your phone in a case is a "prison", and you must check it every time you go to the toilet, and you're concerned about a terrorist attack -- enough to want your phone, but not enough to stay home, as if your apps could somehow save you. > Treat people like adults. If they break the rules, ask them to leave. Isn't that what we've been trying for the past…

> Isn't that what we've been trying for the past 10 years? Clearly, it's not working.

Have we? I've only been to one show in the past decade where a performer called someone out in the crowd for being a jerk with a camera. They wouldn't turn the flash off, so the artist asked them to stop, then they took another flashy picture, so the artist mocked them until they put the camera away for the rest of the show.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by brandonmenc » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:03 PM UTC

I went to a Prince concert where phones were banned, and it was the greatest experience ever.

I think it's fine for people to snap a photo or two and be able to check their messages during the show, but when half the crowd is holding up phones to film, it's super annoying.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by mseebach » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:03 PM UTC

watwut wrote: post #164

mseebach wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking of headphones.

They don't stick on small kids heads or in ears. With bigger kids, absolutely.

That has got to be a solvable problem.

EDIT: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Children-Headband-Headphone-Comfort...

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

#194

Post by davb » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:06 PM UTC

nly wrote: post #190

davb wrote: post #87

I experienced the Yondr phone prison last night for the first time (at a Chris Rock show). While I detest people being disruptive with their phones, I don’t think this is the right solution. From a practical standpoint, it took a lot longer to get into and out of the venue when phones had to be locked up. Checking your phone when you pop out to the toilet meant waiting in a queue to have your phone unlocked, and bein…

> There have been a number of times when I’ve been split up from friends at large venues - not being able to text each other to meet up is inconvenient. "Hey guys, let's stick together, if we get separated meet at the bar. Cool? cool" And an interesting one you can't easily do anymore without a cell phone (because people don't wear wrist watches): "Hey, i'm going to checkout X. Meet at the bar in 30 minutes?"

When it’s a venue you don’t know too well and there are 8 bars on each floor, that completely breaks down. Sticking together doesn’t always work, especially when queues are split between men and women for pat downs (as is usually the case in the type of venue that would force you to put your phone in a locked pouch).

Of course we got by OK before mobile phones, but to suggest we give up the considerable benefits because an artist or venue opts for a heavy handed ban over a strictly enforced etiquette policy seems unreasonable.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

#195

Post by randyrand » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:10 PM UTC

INTPenis wrote: post #23

A suggestion. If entertainers ban phones at events they should at least record the event themselves and publish the video for the participants or everyone. I noticed at the Mark Twain wards for David Letterman when my hero Bill fucking Murray came out a woman was literally watching him through her phone. And I was watching the whole thing on youtube at a much better angle and quality. Of course my video was probably…

Recording the show and putting it online is not a 100% solution. Though I agree it's a good start and good enough for some people.

I take a lot of home videos. A new hobby of mine. I actually watch them. I use a handheld gopro and hold it at eye level.

At a venue the other day they recorded the event and put it somewhere online, but I have no intention on downloading it and still recorded 2 acts myself with my gopro (5 minutes of footage of the 2 hr show).

Why? Workflow, convenience, control. Recording on my camera means the video is automatically chronological with all my other videos and will be processed like all the others. Downloading their video means finding it online, editing it down to the parts I wanted to begin with, and figuring out the correct time stamp for each video I export. It goes from a automatic processes to a 20 minute long processes. That's not worth the trade off for me for 5 minutes of footage.

On top of that I lose my vantage point and the ability to point the camera back at ourselves too.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

#196

Post by bdcravens » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:12 PM UTC

pavel_lishin wrote: post #191

ken wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the viscerality of this response is fascinating. Putting your phone in a case is a "prison", and you must check it every time you go to the toilet, and you're concerned about a terrorist attack -- enough to want your phone, but not enough to stay home, as if your apps could somehow save you. > Treat people like adults. If they break the rules, ask them to leave. Isn't that what we've been trying for the past…

> Isn't that what we've been trying for the past 10 years? Clearly, it's not working. Have we? I've only been to one show in the past decade where a performer called someone out in the crowd for being a jerk with a camera. They wouldn't turn the flash off, so the artist asked them to stop, then they took another flashy picture, so the artist mocked them until they put the camera away for the rest of the show.

Post "no recording" or "no phone use during performance", have security remove them with no refund. After a few removals, most will keep it in their pocket.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

#197

Post by davb » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:19 PM UTC

ken wrote: post #189

davb wrote: post #87

I experienced the Yondr phone prison last night for the first time (at a Chris Rock show). While I detest people being disruptive with their phones, I don’t think this is the right solution. From a practical standpoint, it took a lot longer to get into and out of the venue when phones had to be locked up. Checking your phone when you pop out to the toilet meant waiting in a queue to have your phone unlocked, and bein…

I think the viscerality of this response is fascinating. Putting your phone in a case is a "prison", and you must check it every time you go to the toilet, and you're concerned about a terrorist attack -- enough to want your phone, but not enough to stay home, as if your apps could somehow save you. > Treat people like adults. If they break the rules, ask them to leave. Isn't that what we've been trying for the past…

I didn’t say that I must check my phone every time I go to the toilet. Only that being able to check my phone (for example, to check if I have any messages from people I care for at home) is a useful thing.

And I never said that I was worried about terrorism. Only that having ready access to my phone in any emergency situation (again, I pointed out it would be more likely a fire alarm than a terrorists) is helpful.

I don’t think concert venues do anything to enforce any sort of phone etiquette. I dislike that they’ve went for such an inconvenient option when there are softer, policy based alternatives in between doing nothing and locking up phones. Cinemas manage to enforce phone etiquette with much fewer staff per guest. Of course it’s common to see someone light up their row by checking their phone, but if it’s persistent (like the drunken heckler), cinema staff would eject them.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

#198

Post by davb » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:25 PM UTC

bdcravens wrote: post #196

pavel_lishin wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't that what we've been trying for the past 10 years? Clearly, it's not working. Have we? I've only been to one show in the past decade where a performer called someone out in the crowd for being a jerk with a camera. They wouldn't turn the flash off, so the artist asked them to stop, then they took another flashy picture, so the artist mocked them until they put the camera away for the rest of the show.

Post "no recording" or "no phone use during performance", have security remove them with no refund. After a few removals, most will keep it in their pocket.

This has always been quite successful at cinemas (in Scotland, at least).

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by tw1010 » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:29 PM UTC

Technology were created by humans. Language was created by humans. Both are abstractions that keep us from experiencing each other and reality in its true form. Let's not trick ourselves into thinking that we're somehow getting a true unambiguous connection with each other by removing technology.

To quote Simone Weil: "The world is the closed door. It is a barrier. And at the same time it is the way through. Two prisoners whose cells adjoin communicate with each other by knocking on the wall. The wall is the thing which separates them but it is also their means of communication."

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

#200

Post by monksy » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 7:29 PM UTC

ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #174

monksy wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they do it because because they don't want to be called out on a bad set. (I've heard a venue guy from Detroit pointing out Chappel for that) Found the article on the Detroit one: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/dave-chappelle-fans... I could have sworn he had issues at a PA show as well, but that was recorded. Hannibal Burress doesn't like it because he said some unverified bits about Cosby and got caugh…

'unverified bit'... is not a thing. Comedians tell jokes, they aren't news organizations that need to do fact checking. And even if they did hold to that standard, what a crazy bad example to pick. He was correct. So you think he got 'caught' telling a joke that had true facts that hadn't been verified yet?

Comedians can tell jokes and make exaggerations, but they can't fully go out and slander. (Even if it later comes out to be true)