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Re: Waze Carpool

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What happens when you are a passenger injured in a car crash where you feel the driver giving you the ride was at fault?

What happens if the person doesn't show and you are late to work?

I feel like there are going to be some interesting edge cases with this approach.

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You'd be destroying a culture of independence in the US punishing car drivers so much, and I don't think it would be nearly worth it. I greatly appreciate being able to just go where I want without having to be beholden to public transit schedules and share the space with a bunch of strangers, and have my own temperature controls etc. The "cost" cars have to society and how "subsidized" they are is ridiculously overb…

> You'd be destroying a culture of independence in the US punishing car drivers so much, and I don't think it would be nearly worth it. Is it really independence if you can't cover the costs you impose? Sounds an awful lot like the "oppression" felt by angsty teenagers without jobs when they're told they have to empty a dishwasher. > I greatly appreciate being able to just go where I want without having to be beholde…

It's fine for things to be subsidized and taxes collected so that a way of life is more attainable, that's how societies work. In all likelihood I'm subsidizing the people around here who use NJ transit in place of driving - I hardly have my car on for more than 10 minutes a day and it's around 30mpg. It's just part of a larger give-and-take that we all participate in, I pay for trains I don't use today and they pay for state parks they don't use tomorrow. Are you opposed to all government subsidies? It's not tenable for everybody to pay the full cost of everything they do. A prime example is healthcare.

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Yep you're right, it's just as much the fault of the corporations that are there. Startups are a big part of it, moving to SV just to form a startup locks a ton of qualified people out and unnecessarily jacks up your burn rate. You'd be far better off moving to Madison and hiring from University of Wisconsin where you still have Whole Foods and Trader Joes and a bike-friendly city and great public transport but your…

>which means you're going to be taking home a lot more disposable income than you would in SV. Rolling the dice in SV will result in much bigger winnings more often than it will in other areas. That's worth something, and obviously people are willing to pay for it (give up some things).

Rolling the dice as in founding a startup? For sure. But that's mainly because all the VCs are are in SV and some of them force you to be there too (looking at you YC...). Startups outside of SV need to be profitable from day one[0] because there aren't too many people out here willing to throw millions of dollars at unprofitable ideas.

The ones rolling the dice are the VCs. Everyone else, founders included, are just slot machines. Your odds of hitting a jackpot in SV are higher than anywhere else, but so are your odds of losing everything. Elsewhere, you might not hit a jackpot and become a unicorn, but is a focus on slow and profitable growth really a net negative?

San Fransisco never forgot their gold rush heritage, and just like back then, the miners come looking for a fortune but the only ones reliably getting rich are the tavern owners.

[0] https://m.signalvnoise.com/why-we-choose-profit-e511efc4dcb9

Re: Waze Carpool

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post #211

What happens when you are a passenger injured in a car crash where you feel the driver giving you the ride was at fault? What happens if the person doesn't show and you are late to work? I feel like there are going to be some interesting edge cases with this approach.

> What happens if the person doesn't show and you are late to work?

Likely the same thing that happens today when public transit is delayed or your car breaks down. I.e. It's your personal responsibility. Reliability of the specific mode of transit should be taken into consideration.

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Waze and Wazer? As in rhymes with laze and laser. It reads a bit like wazzer as in 'one who is known for urinating', I suppose?

To my British eyes I can't help but read 'wazzock', as in a 1980's schoolboy insult par excellence[0]. To rescue this comment with a semblance of an arguement, what I'm trying to say is that maybe it's best to try the name in a few languages/dialects before you go with it. [0]https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/wazzock

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#216
Waze carpool launched ~2Y ago in Israel. I've been a registered driver/passenger for about a year now. Here's my summary:

  - I don't like the fact it's a separate app rather than part of waze.
  - Apparently matching rides is technically non-trivial. I was hit with so many false positives I could not cope and had to deregister (as a driver).
  - Car sharing is culturally challenging, even in Israel. I guess more so in the US.
  - This will no work.

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> The pure software world exists from Google's perspective, they provide zero support and then it's just a matter of individual choice if you want to use the service or not. This is something only an engineer would say. In the real world, once you provide a service, you absolutely are on the hook— both ethically and in the mind of the average consumer— for providing some level of service when it goes wrong. “Don’t li…

> once you provide a service, you absolutely are on the hook— both ethically and in the mind of the average consumer— for providing some level of service when it goes wrong. The moral and legal liability has precise limits. No software application or payment service could be ever expected to prevent any and all criminal activity in relation to it's use. Google is on the hook, but to a more much limited extent than yo…

>Google is absolutely not responsible for the rapes and muggings perpetrated by users of Adwords or Waze.

If you or a family member used Waze Carpool, and got raped or murdered, are you going to sit there quietly and say "oh well, not Google's fault"?

As a engineer providing a software solution, it's great to sit in an office desk and say "there are precise legal limits", it's exact, precise, formal, and correct. Like a math problem almost. This is the exact line.

But imagine if you used somebody else's service, and you got raped. Or your family member got raped. Are you really going to not sue and let the newspapers know what happened? It's not just 1's and 0s anymore, it becomes a moral/emotional issue.

Re: Waze Carpool

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You just described the pure software world solution. What happens when the commuter I pick up vomits in my car? Or steals something from my car? What happens if I get picked up by a person who changes their mind about where they're going? Or decide to take an unplanned detour to go to the store, or back home to grab the laptop they forgot, or to score some heroin? What happens when the driver gropes me? Or I grope th…

Good point. I think it’s intersting that you go to medium for even small claims is a phone call. I find the level of support we can get over chat to be pretty good nowadays, my bank, insurance, company HR also deals with all non lofe threatening issues by mail and messaging only. We’re finaly getting away from a phone centric world, and I feel the service is actualy better while cheaper and more efficient.

We are not. I consistently choose phone support because it is nearly always superior.

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Unlike Uber, they appear to talk about a real carsharing system, as opposed to a taxi service with a lower entry barrier. The prices will be much lower since we are talking about the marginal cost of adding another passenger to an already happening trip - and with full info on where people are going, Waze effectively has an endless supply of trips that are happening, it's just a matter of displaying a pop-up "Hey, Al…

If this is the logic behind Waze Carpool, they are SERIOUSLY misguided. If I own a car and and I’m driving to work, my privacy and security during my commute is worth a lot more than $5. No way I’m picking up randos and sitting in silence with them for an hour for a measly coffee.

Yup, and think of the caliber of car and driver that would appeal to.

Re: Waze Carpool

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You just described the pure software world solution. What happens when the commuter I pick up vomits in my car? Or steals something from my car? What happens if I get picked up by a person who changes their mind about where they're going? Or decide to take an unplanned detour to go to the store, or back home to grab the laptop they forgot, or to score some heroin? What happens when the driver gropes me? Or I grope th…

> What happens when the commuter I pick up vomits in my car? Guess you have to use some of that hard earned ridesharing money to deal with the occasional downside such as this. It's not just free money, and anyone that thinks in terms ot cash for ride and that's the only things to think of is naive. You've thought it these scenarios, other people should too, and take that into account when deciding if it's worth it.…

> > What happens if I get picked up by a person who changes their mind about where they're going?

> Let them out at the first feasible opportunity, as long as there is some infrastructure (or they accept the location). Let them deal with finding transport from there.

Nope, gp was talking about getting picked up by someone who changes mind. You can't let them out, it's their car.

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