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Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #102
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about going to a gig here: there are many ways that people "enjoy the experience" which might detract from the experience of others: talking, singing badly, moving around too much, jumping up and spilling beer everywhere. If you try to eliminate all behaviour that might adversely affect others, we'll all end up strapped into a seat — no-one really wants that.

Playing with your cell phone is a lot less easily justified than singing bladly or dancing too wildly. If someone is talking over the concert or spilling beer on me I'm going to ask them to stop, too.

> Playing with your cell phone is a lot less easily justified than singing bladly or dancing too wildly

Taking a photo to commemorate a once-in-a-lifetime experience, recording video to show friends, checking the time because you can't stay until the very end, checking the babysitter hasn't called to say the kids are in hospital, ... there are many reasons I can think of that, whilst they may be annoying, and may to a very small extent detract from your experience, are still 'valid' and necessary from the other's point of view.

> If someone is talking over the concert or spilling beer on me I'm going to ask them to stop, too.

Right. I must admit, I wouldn't do that in the same situation, partly because I'm conflict-averse but also because it wouldn't bother me that much. However, I wouldn't argue that beer can't be served at the event or no-one's allowed to talk at all. I have no problem with you politely asking someone else to take their cell phone out of your face, but I see no reason why that has to result in a blanket ban.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by epicide »

hellbanTHIS wrote: post #124
geebee wrote: post #116

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I don't think it's fascistic at all. Think about it this way - I would like to trade my right to bring a cell phone into group event in exchange for the benefits I receive from participating in a group event without cell phones. If you don't like that trade, don't make it! But don't deny those who wish to engage in that transaction the right to do so by forcing them to have a "cell phones are welcome" policy. This is…

I suppose. Venues won’t go for this nonsense anyway, it’s a potential legal liability, they don’t care what you do with your phone and they have all the power, not the band.

Pretty sure they can just require the band/attendees to sign away their liability.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by CaptainZapp »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #123
CaptainZapp wrote: post #119

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Thanks for that, I didn't know that and will certainly check it out. But here's the rub (or actually a very good thing): "Radiohead contributed their own audio masters of the show." That's really amazing, but also indicates (not necessarily, I grant that. The article doesn't say) that the project was actually planned and that the band and audience were in for it from the start.

Fair point. I believe it was actually after the fact, and the fans approached Radiohead for the soundboard recording, but I Might Be Wrong.

I really don't know.

But in any case I really thank you for the links.

It's great when shit like that gets real. And probably not only the fans that were at the gig, but a ton of other people will have a pleasurable experience with the result (and respect that band even more).

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by toomuchtodo »

ghaff wrote: post #101
toomuchtodo wrote: post #86

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People should learn to not be anxious of having no connectivity. Self-reliance used to be a thing, and while its inconvenient when you don't have connectivity, it should not cause anxiety.

I think there are circumstances where it's prudent, when reasonably practical, to have the means to summon assistance if things go sideways. However, you should be as prepared as possible to fend for yourself and, as you say, I find it almost bizarre to be anxious/fearful/freaked out just because you're separated from your smartphone. ADDED: My concern is that there seems to be an increasing expectation that, if "the…

Agree entirely.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by hungerstrike »

maxerickson wrote: post #103
hungerstrike wrote: post #68

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> ...if you can't respect the reasonable wishes of the person who you paid to go see what are you doing there? Why the false dichotomy? A person could easily lack all respect for an entertainer and still want to go see them... Heck, I've gone to concerts before just to make fun of the band and its fans with my friends. One could be there doing a lot of things but the blindingly obvious answer in this case is that peo…

Things that aren't in the guidelines: HN asks you not to treat the DOWNVOTE button as a DISAGREE Things that are in the guidelines: Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized.* Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

Oh thank you! I corrected that caps now but I wasn't even talking about the guidelines. I was talking about how the vast majority of HN users don't want anyone to use the downvote button as a disagree button, which is quite evident when you search for: downvote disagree site:ycombinator.com

Also, I didn't comment about the downvotes on my comment. I said "it's kinda like X".

Anyway, you completely ignored the bulk of my comment. So, I'll continue to rest assured that my logic is sound and that nobody can really argue against it. Thanks!

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by hungerstrike »

grasshopperpurp wrote: post #94
hungerstrike wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...if you can't respect the reasonable wishes of the person who you paid to go see what are you doing there? Why the false dichotomy? A person could easily lack all respect for an entertainer and still want to go see them... Heck, I've gone to concerts before just to make fun of the band and its fans with my friends. One could be there doing a lot of things but the blindingly obvious answer in this case is that peo…

Also tells you not to complain about downvotes, but I guess thinking is hard.

What complaining? I said "it's kinda like how X..."

That's not a complaint, thank you very much :)

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by nradov »

harlanji wrote: post #71

Good. I do this at my personal parties, I have a phone bowl by the door. Few arguments are solved by Google, and creative things happen. Social Media is definitely at the point where TV was in around 2012. There were the early 'adopters' who cast out their sets and proclaimed the virtues, but they weren't shunned and understanding was attempted... what's a DVR? what's streaming? Silly questions a few years later, rig…

That may work for you as a single individual but in general it's just not realistic. Times have changed. The world has moved on.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by monksy »

rayvd wrote: post #56
monksy wrote: post #6

That's great for them. But I won't be buying a ticket for any of his shows. After seeing what happened at the bataclan that makes this a stupid and dangerous idea.

Same here. Kick people out if they're violating your event's policy. This pouch thing is just weird and big brother-ish. Sorry people are downvoting you just because they disagree with your opinion!

The funny thing is that this policy assumes that the ushers are bad. (Otherwise, why do you need this if it's something that the ushers can handle)

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by triangleman »

dizzystar wrote: post #85

Man, I can stand behind this. You have no idea how distracting it is to the musicians on stage when they look at the crowd and see a bunch of cell phones facing them. I'd rather see everyone bored and talking. At least that's a genuine response. I feel it's quite disrespectful to be looking at your cellphone and recording while a performer is on stage. The performer is there for you, and you presumably went there to…

We need a new etiquette and I'm not sure our culture can support one right now.

Video: A few seconds, once or twice, is ok.

Photos: No flash photography

Audio: Record the whole show if you want. Isn't that how most Phish music is distributed?

I am fine with artists putting hard limits on their audience. If they believe it will improve their art, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. It might help or hurt them financially, in terms of fanbase, whatever. It's the artist who is taking the risk here, I say let him.

Incidentally, I went to a local symphony concert recently and I got some serious evil-out-of-the-corner-of-the-eye from one of the patrons 3 rows in front of me, wearing a tweed coat. Apparently my hushed comment to my wife annoyed him. And then when the piece was over, right before the moment of applause, he let out a "mmm" like he had just consumed a great piece of chocolate cake or something. Now that was bad manners.

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