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The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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This video from Anaheim (California) is reminiscent of travelling around Dehli (from 39' in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF7hWzqdPDk ). The level/amount of poverty in this video is shocking.

Also what's shocking is that you see plenty of young able people in those tents that could get a job yet decide to stay there. That baffles me. If you have arms, and legs, and you're doing ok in the membrane, then you can find a job in this country.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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I just don’t buy that. Not every company has infinite head count. Universities for example only have so many spots they can offer. So if a university keeps 10% of the spots for diversity candidates, then only 90% of the capacity is for diversity candidates. Compounded with non diversity candidates applying in a disproportionately high number to diversity. And the population of non diverse having a better education. Y…

>You end up making it harder for non diverse candidates and raising their bar. You're right but that's fine. The argument though is that society has already imposed a 'higher bar' on "diverse candidates" (let's just be honest and call them minorities and the poor.) Think of it like this. A poor black girl named Keycia lives at home with her single mother and three siblings. She's studious but attends a bad public sch…

In an alternative universe, Chad is a poor white boy who lives at home with his single mother and three siblings. He's studious but attends a bad public school, he works after school to help out at home, he takes care of his little brothers and sisters. In this universe Keycia is a black girl from an upper middle class family. She's also studious and also attends a public school but a good one with AP/IB classes, dual credit and so on. She doesn't work but she does play on one of the best lacrosse teams in the state and also swims.

Now, with diversity initiatives that are geared against Chad and in Keycia's favour, who's got a better chance of getting into Stanford?

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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>You end up making it harder for non diverse candidates and raising their bar. You're right but that's fine. The argument though is that society has already imposed a 'higher bar' on "diverse candidates" (let's just be honest and call them minorities and the poor.) Think of it like this. A poor black girl named Keycia lives at home with her single mother and three siblings. She's studious but attends a bad public sch…

In an alternative universe, Chad is a poor white boy who lives at home with his single mother and three siblings. He's studious but attends a bad public school, he works after school to help out at home, he takes care of his little brothers and sisters. In this universe Keycia is a black girl from an upper middle class family. She's also studious and also attends a public school but a good one with AP/IB classes, dua…

Sure! But that's an argument for more complex diversity initiatives (race, gender, AND poverty) which I'm totally fine with.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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It doesn't imply anything, it flat out says it, being poor in America is vastly more comfortable and healthy than Dehli. Notice he didn't say "So don't worry about our poor at all.", just put it into perspective. The facts are, if you want to help the most unfortunate human beings, they're more likely to be in Dehli.

The comparison serves no purpose other than to suggest that the impoverished American should be grateful he's not a "beggar in Dehli." It's not some clinical fact devoid of context.

No, it also discusses how a moral calculus might not prioritize locality, but instead impact or efficacy on lives.

While I don't think it's an adequate idea, as it undersells the value of clannism, it's pretty easy to think of other interesting purposes for this comparison other than moral shaming. Perhaps this might've been a starting point for discussing the harms to the moral thinking which doesn't erect and police boundaries to "we".

A lot of moral discussion, in real life, on Reddit, or on HN, more or less of the same quality (as opposed to other discussions on HN) go nowhere. There is utility to discussing an objective moral calculus that multitudes can observe and negotiate.

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It is a problem, but not the way you are exaggerating it to be. You act as if there is a nazi army ready to march on the nation, but that's not happening. We do have pockets of bigots and racists and god knows what else, but they don't have huge bases of support unless we act like they do. Nazis want to feel important, they want people to get riled up and fight them. That's what the actual nazis did. ordinary Nazi ru…

Basically, from what I can tell, nazi is anyone with an opposing viewpoint. I would also posit the majority of recent political violence is from the Antifa folks who believe they can shutdown their opponents through pure and simple violence. In fact there was one act of violence attributed to all the "tea party" protests during the Obama era and that was instigated by an anti-tea party person. For two generations pol…

> For two generations political protests were virtually 100% violence-free

Two generations? So 60 years? Political protests were virtually 100% violence free? [1][2][3]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Conve...

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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I agree. I know a number of H1B who would like to start their own companies, but obviously can't because of the visa requirements. The system is almost designed intentionally to allow the abuse of workers.

“Almost”? It absolutely is designed to abuse workers.

I'd rather not assume malice when incompetence is a sufficient explanation.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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> The fact remains that everyone starts with nothing. Not even close to true... Simply look at socioeconomic status across generations.

The transfer of wealth through generations is wealth that is still held in family name until the time that it is given to the child. The child still starts with none. Ownership is not automatic in our society. It has to be transferred.

Ok, fine. They still have to inherit that money. But as they grow up, the rich baby will have access to better nutrition, better education, a less stressful environment, etc compared to the poor baby. That's without considering fetal health/nutrition. There are many known factors that can affect a child's health, growth, and intelligence, and therefore success.

I don't think the distinction of "babies have $0" is relevant when considering all the other potential advantages. What are you getting at with that claim? I don't think it's particularly clear, judging by the other replies.

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This is the other side of globalization. Globalization is super nice when you're secure in your job, "hey everything is getting cheaper!" but when your job is the one in the crosshairs what you're feeling is a pressure that is pushing the living standard of the third world and yours together. That's why I find it so annoying that this board is usually against abundant H1B's but for factory outsourcing. It's completel…

Why should Bubba live a better life then Liu Chu just because he was born in one country and Liu Chu another? Globalization has reduced extreme poverty worldwide, to the point where it will not exist in a few years. Globalization has very little to do with the plights of blacks in the Mississippi Delta. Old fashioned racism and a lack of jobs in sectors which aren't agriculture have a lot more to do with it.

> Why should Bubba live a better life then Liu Chu just because he was born in one country and Liu Chu another? Globalization has reduced extreme poverty worldwide, to the point where it will not exist in a few years.

Because Bubba is a member of a lucky sperm club. It is neither good nor is it bad. It just is.

Completely open borders and completely open immigration policy result in everyone sinking to the lowest, not lowest getting to the highest.

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What I don’t understand are the people who simultaneously complain about poverty in America and see absolutely no reason to apply any kind of standards for the people emigrating to this country (like, “must have an advanced degree”), or even any kind of limits on immigration at all. We are undoubtedly importing more people destined to live in poverty. Save me the rhetoric about every immigrant being a future doctor o…

Why should Americans hold new immigrants to such a strict standard, when they themselves can probably trace their own lineage back to someone who stepped off a boat on Ellis Island with barely a grasp on English or a penny to their (soon to be Anglicized) name? Why are low-skilled immigrants a net drain on society, but not the low-skilled children or grandchildren of immigrants? There are many, many more of the latte…

Because at the time America needed unskilled masses. Times changed. We no longer need millions of people to use shovels to build roads.

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Basically, from what I can tell, nazi is anyone with an opposing viewpoint. I would also posit the majority of recent political violence is from the Antifa folks who believe they can shutdown their opponents through pure and simple violence. In fact there was one act of violence attributed to all the "tea party" protests during the Obama era and that was instigated by an anti-tea party person. For two generations pol…

> For two generations political protests were virtually 100% violence-free Two generations? So 60 years? Political protests were virtually 100% violence free? [1][2][3] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Democratic_National_Conve...

Well, two of those weren't political and one was literally two generations ago...
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