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The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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This is the other side of globalization. Globalization is super nice when you're secure in your job, "hey everything is getting cheaper!" but when your job is the one in the crosshairs what you're feeling is a pressure that is pushing the living standard of the third world and yours together. That's why I find it so annoying that this board is usually against abundant H1B's but for factory outsourcing. It's completel…

'In the long run we're all dead' - John Maynard Keynes

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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I don’t understand how this is possible. We have a lot of programs to help people - food assistance, housing and health care assistance, disability... Are these benefits being counted when we say they live on $4/day?

I'm in the East Bay (near SF). I befriended a guy living on the street more than a year ago. He was a machinist in the midwest and was laid off. Because the winters are too brutal there, he came to CA.

He didn't have valid ID and without an address it was difficult for him to get ID, without which the places he could possibly live were inaccessible.

Last fall he finally found a group home, but it was temporary, and he's back on the street again.

The system, as it's designed, is complex and requires mental resources that people living on the street just don't have.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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Americans are slowly becoming more radical as a reaction to economic pressures. With each side's policies alien to the other, compromise becomes impossible. Eventually one side will have to win out and then things will get very interesting.

> Eventually one side will have to win out and then things will get very interesting. Well things are pretty violent already, with the deadly class war the police is fighting against the population (~1k in 2017, https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shoo... ) plus the countless arrests, macing, tasering and other violent actions of police against peaceful demonstrators, plus all the violence committ…

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Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, I read that most homeless seem to head to CA because it's where the money is... Here in NL we have some homeless, but also lots of government systems in place to offer housing and incentives to possibly work or get schooling. In the end this is actually cheaper, as to prevent crime and what not. Not sure how this would work in the US.

About 60 million Americans receive some federal assistance. A slightly larger number get healthcare from Medicaid. The assistance is not a large amount per month, but it is there.

Medicaid covers around 80 million people, at roughly $7,000 a year per recipient, which is double what the UK spends per patient.

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/distribution-of...

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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I don’t understand how this is possible. We have a lot of programs to help people - food assistance, housing and health care assistance, disability... Are these benefits being counted when we say they live on $4/day?

Those benefits are all pretty severely restricted. They are difficult to apply for (it takes knowledge, time, and work), often they are time limited, or require some sort of proof of your situation that would be difficult to produce. In many states they are now making it so that you have to prove you either have or are actively seeking work of some kind.

Work is difficult to find or even to seek if you're homeless. It's a bit of a catch-22.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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Poverty is not a problem. It is the default state. Instead of asking what causes poverty, we need to ask what causes wealth. We also need to realize that being poor is not a good/bad thing. Again, it's the default state.

I am not sure what we should take from your statement. Let's go one step further and declare that being dead is the default state. The time when we live is so short compared to the time we are not born yet or dead that it is insignificant.

That's a quirk of English. There's no such thing as "being" dead.

"You" are not dead. It's not an active state, it's not something that happens to you, or an experience you have.

/Death/ as a transition happens to you, as a momentary thing, then you cease to be.

"They died" is OK. "They are dead" implies a continuing presence and continuing experience which isn't precise.

Dead is not the default state, because it's not a state of you, because there's no you for it to be a state of.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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post #44

This is the other side of globalization. Globalization is super nice when you're secure in your job, "hey everything is getting cheaper!" but when your job is the one in the crosshairs what you're feeling is a pressure that is pushing the living standard of the third world and yours together. That's why I find it so annoying that this board is usually against abundant H1B's but for factory outsourcing. It's completel…

> That's why I find it so annoying that this board is usually against abundant H1B's but for factory outsourcing. It's completely hypocritical. This forum is not composed of US users only. For example I live in one of those countries who benefited from opening up to foreign trade (I live in Eastern Europe) so it would be pretty hypocritical of me to complain about open markets.

This is one of the things I like about HN however. There are plenty of smart people all over the world (Eastern Europe included!). It is great to be capable of having civilized discussions with different viewpoints. If you open yourself to it, it is easy to learn something new from someone with an entirely different worldview and life context than you.

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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post #61

This is the other side of globalization. Globalization is super nice when you're secure in your job, "hey everything is getting cheaper!" but when your job is the one in the crosshairs what you're feeling is a pressure that is pushing the living standard of the third world and yours together. That's why I find it so annoying that this board is usually against abundant H1B's but for factory outsourcing. It's completel…

'In the long run we're all dead' - John Maynard Keynes

"You shouldn't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive." - Van Wilder

Re: The U.S. Can No Longer Hide from Its Deep Poverty Problem

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These benefits are inaccessible without a long trip through some really Byzantine application processes where nobody is actually incentivized to help you. These processes ostensibly exist to block freeloaders but they also serve to prevent the needy from accessing the resource too.

I readily critize our grotesque engorged bureaucracy, but getting food stamps isn't difficult, as exibited by the 40+ million people who take advantage of them, and by personal anecdotal evidence.

I think it depends on where you are and how used to using bureaucracy you are. I know people who really struggled to wend their way through the bureaucracy that protects food stamps in order to get them.
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