Perl 6 Optimism

Post by throwaway7645 » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 12:18 PM UTC

sedachv wrote: post #187

jnordwick wrote: post #176

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> There is no technical advantage left to ASCII-only syntax for APL-derived languages. Except for that minor technical advantage of actually being on a standard keyboard. That said, I would love standard keyboards to get more symbols. I actally like using symbols instead of words for operators, when done in a consistent and logical fashion as J and K do and unlike Perl's disaster of a syntax. Map and reduce (each and…

> Except for that minor technical advantage of actually being on a standard keyboard. The IBM/Unicomp APL keyboard is a standard PS/2 PC/USB HID keyboard. Literally the only special thing about the IBM/Unicomp APL keyboards is what is printed on the keycaps (which you can buy separately https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/USAPLSET ). I don't understand this - how do people on Hacker News not realize that your key…

Post by arunix » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 1:27 PM UTC

amyjess wrote: post #142

arunix wrote: post #140

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The Python version blows up if the slot isn't already populated. The Perl version works in either case (there is a typo in the Perl code though).

Only if you're using a list, not a dict. I just tried it in the REPL: >>> foo = {} >>> foo[3] = 72 >>> foo[64] = 80 >>> foo {3: 72, 64: 80}

    >>> foo = {}
    >>> foo[3][4] = 42
    Traceback (most recent call last):
    File "", line 1, in 
    KeyError: 3

      DB $foo{3}{4} = 42

      DB x \%foo
    0  HASH(0x7f9f4315c940)
       3 => HASH(0x7f9f432bb148)
          4 => 42

Post by newen » Thu, Jan 25, 2018, 3:09 PM UTC

toyg wrote: post #227

newen wrote: post #219

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But in the majority of editors that actual people use (mainly, jupyter/ipython), they are invisible. Not to distract from my point though, which is that a good programming language should be easily editable from Notepad.

This is where your bias shows. You define this "majority of people" by looking at your niche - you must be in academia or big data. I can tell you that in my niche nobody knows what the hell jupyter even is, and they use real editors like PyCharm, emacs, vim and so on, where whitespace is never a problem. > a good programming language should be easily editable from Notepad. The '90s called, they want their notepad ba…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 6:57 AM UTC

ribasushi wrote: post #230

vgy7ujm wrote: post #210

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Is there any hope of seeing your cperl efforts in mainstream perl? Would you be able to disregard recent history with p5p if you were welcomed back?

> be able to disregard recent history with p5p if you were welcomed back It is essentially impossible to do so, as the problems are systemic and run extraordinarily deep. Would you honestly consider any possibility of working on a "level" with people like this: https://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2018/01/m... So I can't fault rurban for walking away. The project still has merit. Its current leadership…

Post by sedachv » Fri, Jan 26, 2018, 10:25 AM UTC

throwaway7645 wrote: post #231

sedachv wrote: post #187

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> Except for that minor technical advantage of actually being on a standard keyboard. The IBM/Unicomp APL keyboard is a standard PS/2 PC/USB HID keyboard. Literally the only special thing about the IBM/Unicomp APL keyboards is what is printed on the keycaps (which you can buy separately https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/USAPLSET ). I don't understand this - how do people on Hacker News not realize that your key…

People realize that of course, but I don't think simply buying keycaps is an option for everyone. Will they work with my slightly non standard ergonomic keyboard?