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Steve Yegge Quits, Saying Google Is 100% Competitor Focused

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Re: Steve Yegge Quits, Saying Google Is 100% Competitor Focused

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Why was he still there, after 13 years? He should have been able to retire ages ago, or if he wants to keep working, should have gone somewhere innovative half a decade ago.

Perhaps because he thought he was working on something interesting, and they kept giving him stock grant refreshes to keep him there?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

However, NO ONE can innovate constantly and forever. A competition race such as the cloud pricing Google vs. Amazon he mentioned is actually a good thing for customers from a economic standpoint. There was recently an article on HN that claimed that the cost of starting a new business group at Amazon was amazingly low, and that the process was amazingly fast. Basically, you get the people together/get people hired, a…

If your company has multiple business lines that grow at 15% YOY, and you keep hiring say, 10,000 employees every year, eventually, the majority of your revenue will be from existing, not new, product lines and most of your employees will be working on products that either fail, copy, or are not innovative. If and when, a product group becomes a major hit and rockets to a billion users, you'll say it's innovation, bu…

you'll say it's innovation, but in reality, probably 0.1% of the employees got to work on it.

This is irrelevant. So long as the new innovative product succeeds and is allowed to cannibalize the existing products, the company stays on top, riding the new wave.

Even Steve Jobs said he only worked on three disruptive innovative products: The Apple 2, the original Mac, and the iPhone, and those were spaced out by very long periods.

It's not relevant that there were only 3 products spaced out by a lot of time. The significant point is that someone was allowed to do the disruptive innovation, and that the new products were allowed to cannibalize the existing products to some extent.

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Hello. I noticed Steve is writing a book about his time at Google: I have a lot of good stories saved up that I’d love to share. Google corporate didn’t much care for my blogging, and even though they never outright forbade it, I received a lot of indirect pressure from various VPs. So eventually I stopped. Sad. But that’s not where my mind’s at today. Those stories will have to wait for my book. I can completely rel…

I get the impression 'his book' is something vague in the future, rather than a concrete project. He says he's "all in" for his startup.

Re: Steve Yegge Quits, Saying Google Is 100% Competitor Focused

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post #44

Hello. I noticed Steve is writing a book about his time at Google: I have a lot of good stories saved up that I’d love to share. Google corporate didn’t much care for my blogging, and even though they never outright forbade it, I received a lot of indirect pressure from various VPs. So eventually I stopped. Sad. But that’s not where my mind’s at today. Those stories will have to wait for my book. I can completely rel…

That's what anonymous blogs are for. Pick a pseudonym and get going.

Re: Steve Yegge Quits, Saying Google Is 100% Competitor Focused

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post #43

My favorite is Eric Schmidt leaving after https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/us/politics/eric-schmidt-...

Eric did not leave Google or alphabet, it was just a change in roles. He is still on the board of directors, and he is still employed as a consultant. He just no longer holds the title of executive chairman.

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post #40

The question is, where IS the innovation? Which big companies are doing an impressive job of innovating? Remember when Tim Cook was criticised for not constantly bringing out new product lines? Yo don't hear that any more - people seem to have forgotten about the idea that Apple might be a company that actually comes up with entirely new product categories. Indeed Apple hardly even releases updates to its computers a…

I think the Google Maps analysis ("Google Maps's Moat"), a month ago, showed some pretty innovative work happening at Google! But more generally, I think this highlights a fundamental problem with how systems are built and sold. JWZ once described a "Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers" model of software development, where you get bored with the old codebase and just throw it out, only to make just as many mistake…

I’m glad it wasn’t just me on Google oauth. I wanted to hit a spreadsheet script with curl. I ended up copying login cookies out of the browser and pasting into the script just to get something to test the endpoint, knowing it won’t work next time.

Re: Steve Yegge Quits, Saying Google Is 100% Competitor Focused

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It's hard to understand his criticism of g+ as his post of quite a ramble. If g+ had APIs it would have been successful how? He makes several conjectures but either doesn't provide an argument or just a passing one.

Also being a developer, he is qualified to comment on the business directions of some of the large companies in the world because ...

Even in all my hubris, I would feel compelled to add several "just my opinion" caveats.

Does anyone have a link to the google lunch lady's blog? I heard she has some great tax advice that a lot of CFOs should hear.

Re: Steve Yegge Quits, Saying Google Is 100% Competitor Focused

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The question is, where IS the innovation? Which big companies are doing an impressive job of innovating? Remember when Tim Cook was criticised for not constantly bringing out new product lines? Yo don't hear that any more - people seem to have forgotten about the idea that Apple might be a company that actually comes up with entirely new product categories. Indeed Apple hardly even releases updates to its computers a…

> The question is, where IS the innovation? Which big companies are doing an impressive job of innovating?

Everywhere, the problem is only the good innovations are seen as innovations, the rest are just changes. Windows Vista for example was incredibly innovative, we just didn't like the results. Personally I'd prefer less innovation and more focus put on refinement and efficiency.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your company has multiple business lines that grow at 15% YOY, and you keep hiring say, 10,000 employees every year, eventually, the majority of your revenue will be from existing, not new, product lines and most of your employees will be working on products that either fail, copy, or are not innovative. If and when, a product group becomes a major hit and rockets to a billion users, you'll say it's innovation, bu…

you'll say it's innovation, but in reality, probably 0.1% of the employees got to work on it. This is irrelevant. So long as the new innovative product succeeds and is allowed to cannibalize the existing products, the company stays on top, riding the new wave. Even Steve Jobs said he only worked on three disruptive innovative products: The Apple 2, the original Mac, and the iPhone, and those were spaced out by very l…

And you believe no one at Google is being allowed to work on disruptive innovation, not even 0.1% of employees?

The point is, Apple, Google, FB, Amazon, Microsoft, et al are all trying to find the next big disruptive thing. They all invest billions in R&D, but they also have to run their main cash cow businesses.

In every company, there's going to be politics, risk aversion, and symbiotic copying with competitors. This is no different at Google, Amazon, or Apple. And for the rank and file employees who aren't working in R&D or on super-secret disruptions, things will seem fairly pedestrian.

Yegge's claim that Google is 100% focused on competitors is a vast exaggeration.

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The question is, where IS the innovation? Which big companies are doing an impressive job of innovating? Remember when Tim Cook was criticised for not constantly bringing out new product lines? Yo don't hear that any more - people seem to have forgotten about the idea that Apple might be a company that actually comes up with entirely new product categories. Indeed Apple hardly even releases updates to its computers a…

Microsoft seem to be doing a lot of different things.
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