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The Google Lunar X Prize’s Race to the Moon Is Over. Nobody Won

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Re: The Google Lunar X Prize’s Race to the Moon Is Over. Nobody Won

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True, that would strengthen the business case for participants in subsequent competitions.

Disagree. What’s the management cliché? SMART goals — Specific, Measurable, Attainable/Assignable, Relevant/Realistic, Time-bound. Without a time constraint, most people[citation needed] keep putting things off until later.

In general, you are absolutely correct. But with competitive pressure it might be different.

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I know what people mean when they say "dark side of the moon" but it always bothers me. There is no "dark side" to the moon. The picture that got stuck in my head was seeing the moon transit the earth: http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2015/08/21/4296866.ht... Beautiful picture.

Isn't it the dark side of the moon, since spacecraft passing behind the moon go 'dark'; out of radio contact since the moon blocks radio signals? On the other hand: it's the side of the moon that never receives earthshine. So it's dark in that sense.

Which is a great reason to get a dumb little cubesat comms relay into lunar orbit...

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I think the biggest problem is radio communication !?

The biggest problem - maybe 90% of the task - is to get there. Then from the remainder the biggest problem - in terms of required mass - is radio communication (if you choose radio). At least that's what my analysis was giving me.

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Just curious (not a competitor :), what business model is there in placing micro-sats on the moon?

Considering that there's little time left, your payload (and business model) has severe constraints. Unless you have something pre-developed and nearly ready to launch (e.g. at a university), aim for something simple. That leaves you mostly with media attention (sponsors), technology demos (e.g. for third parties), paraphernalia/vanity items that wealthy individuals or communities pay for (no remains or religious art…

I believe they are asking about the business use cases for putting things on the moon.

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>>(no remains or religious artifacts please) I can imagine some rich people would find it pretty cool to have an urn of their ashes left on the moon.

I think this is probably one of the most viable business models for a "CubeSat" sized payload. If I had a rocket to the moon, that is the first thing I would offer: "mix your human dust with moon dust"

Figures above suggest somewhere in the million dollar mark for a kilo of payload. There are ashes into diamond services, and ballpark figures would be 5 one carat diamonds to a gram or 2500 for half a kilo.

A million dollars split between 2500 is just $400 each.

Obviously very rough figures but it nothing screams outrageous to me. I'd be surprised if you couldn't fill 2500 of those orders.

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I think this is probably one of the most viable business models for a "CubeSat" sized payload. If I had a rocket to the moon, that is the first thing I would offer: "mix your human dust with moon dust"

Figures above suggest somewhere in the million dollar mark for a kilo of payload. There are ashes into diamond services, and ballpark figures would be 5 one carat diamonds to a gram or 2500 for half a kilo. A million dollars split between 2500 is just $400 each. Obviously very rough figures but it nothing screams outrageous to me. I'd be surprised if you couldn't fill 2500 of those orders.

I love it!

Only problem I see is that 0.5 carat cremation diamond is $6000 US, and it would be a "waste" of the ashes since they only use a few ounces (~150g) and a human cremated is roughly 5kg.

BUT, if a person is fine with only sending a portion of their loved one to the moon for the super "low price" of $20k, it would only take 75 to break even, but there is room for a WHOLE lot more.

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Figures above suggest somewhere in the million dollar mark for a kilo of payload. There are ashes into diamond services, and ballpark figures would be 5 one carat diamonds to a gram or 2500 for half a kilo. A million dollars split between 2500 is just $400 each. Obviously very rough figures but it nothing screams outrageous to me. I'd be surprised if you couldn't fill 2500 of those orders.

I love it! Only problem I see is that 0.5 carat cremation diamond is $6000 US, and it would be a "waste" of the ashes since they only use a few ounces (~150g) and a human cremated is roughly 5kg. BUT, if a person is fine with only sending a portion of their loved one to the moon for the super "low price" of $20k, it would only take 75 to break even, but there is room for a WHOLE lot more.

Space burials [1] are a thing. When I investigated this, I found that in Germany the cremation industry is against separating remains, i.e. don't bury a part on Earth and another on the Moon. I'm not aware whether a legal background exists, but at least some might consider it as morally dirty (though I doubt people would really complain over here, but in other cultures people might react stronger). So it depends on your country (culture, jurisdiction) whether it's a viable business case.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_burial

Re: The Google Lunar X Prize’s Race to the Moon Is Over. Nobody Won

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I know what people mean when they say "dark side of the moon" but it always bothers me. There is no "dark side" to the moon. The picture that got stuck in my head was seeing the moon transit the earth: http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2015/08/21/4296866.ht... Beautiful picture.

Its the side of the Moon that's dark when it faces the earth?

The moon is tidally locked: rotates at the same speed that it resolves around the Earth. Therefore the same side always faces the Earth, modulo liberation.

Re: The Google Lunar X Prize’s Race to the Moon Is Over. Nobody Won

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I think the biggest problem is radio communication !?

The biggest problem - maybe 90% of the task - is to get there. Then from the remainder the biggest problem - in terms of required mass - is radio communication (if you choose radio). At least that's what my analysis was giving me.

I think getting there is a question of how many canisters you can fill with gas and water. I think it would be fairly cheap if you have small enough payload. A quick calculation: You would need to fill up around 25,000 pipes and have 160 stages.
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