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Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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> the problem with regulating anonymous transactions is you don't know who's doing them Every government has departments of agents adept at tracing cash transactions. Bitcoin offers the advantage of total transactional transparency. Shady wallet? Trace back until you find a known wallet. An exchange, vendor, et cetera . Subpoena, find their counterparty, rinse and repeat. Best case: you find your guy. Consolation: mo…

Of course with enough effort and investment you can probably stop many things, the point is whether the increasing marginal costs of enforcement are worth it to the government and society. By that same argument, the US could round up every illegal immigrant and deport them, or every casual drug user and lock them up for life. We don't do that because it'd be ruinously expensive (not to mention immoral) and transform…

> the point is whether the increasing marginal costs of enforcement are worth it to the government and society

The same applies to cash. Investigating them is expensive. We don't bust the kid who fails to report the proceeds from their lemonade stand because (a) it's too small and (b) it's too mean.

> privacy coins + tumblers + crypto + VPNs + TOR will make it very hard for a government to punish motivated individuals

Analogs for each of these exist for cash. None of this is new, it's just shinier. (In any case, now you're talking about willful money laundering.)

Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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post #95

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No, Bitcoin is the crypto equivalent of Monopoly money: it is unreasonable to use it for anything but little fun. For real world use cases there are better solutions, including other cryptocurrencies.

There was a recent bit on NPR (Planet Money?) where they interviewed young people in Seoul - they had so little faith in their ability to earn a living and save money by working a regular job in Korea they were putting all their savings into Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies and hoping to hit the jackpot. It was alarming.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-01-23/why-some-young-south-...

Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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post #58

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Lighting Network does indeed exist today. You can use it right now. Download the desktop app and try it out: https://github.com/lightninglabs/lightning-app It's early, but that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The README says "The application is under active development and currently only operates on the Bitcoin testnet chain." - is that inaccurate? If that is still accurate, it continues to seem to me that Stripe is interested in actually using Lightning on the production Bitcoin blockchain, they just can't do that today.

https://lnmainnet.gaben.win/

153 nodes currently on mainnet.

Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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> What future does an asset have if people don't actually buy stuff with it? I look at it (maybe naively) like a solid gold bar. You're not going to walk in to a convenience store and pay with a bar of solid gold; you might flee the country with one though. Beyond that, I totally agree with your read on the post. Linking the pull request[0] was especially backhanded. It feels like there's some underlying frustration…

The difference between Bitcoin and gold isn't in how either stores value. It's in maintenance costs. For gold to retain value, you need to maintain human civilization, so that gold can be used in trade. For Bitcoin, you have to maintain it too, plus you need to keep paying an unbounded, ever-increasing, absurdly high price in energy use. This is IMO why cryptocurrencies are a serious problem, and also why they're uns…

You're only talking about proof-of-work cryptocurrencies, and bitcoin especially. You should research more on currencies that use a less power intensive PoW algorithm, or a different algorithm altogether that might not use anything more than the energy of one computer.

Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

#345

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> the problem with regulating anonymous transactions is you don't know who's doing them Every government has departments of agents adept at tracing cash transactions. Bitcoin offers the advantage of total transactional transparency. Shady wallet? Trace back until you find a known wallet. An exchange, vendor, et cetera . Subpoena, find their counterparty, rinse and repeat. Best case: you find your guy. Consolation: mo…

Has either of the above ever happened historically, not counting jumps of just 1 person?

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Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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> the problem with regulating anonymous transactions is you don't know who's doing them Every government has departments of agents adept at tracing cash transactions. Bitcoin offers the advantage of total transactional transparency. Shady wallet? Trace back until you find a known wallet. An exchange, vendor, et cetera . Subpoena, find their counterparty, rinse and repeat. Best case: you find your guy. Consolation: mo…

Has either of the above ever happened historically, not counting jumps of just 1 person?

Yes, see page 55

https://www.scribd.com/document/260409270/Force-Bridges-Crim...

Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

#348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the problem with regulating anonymous transactions is you don't know who's doing them Every government has departments of agents adept at tracing cash transactions. Bitcoin offers the advantage of total transactional transparency. Shady wallet? Trace back until you find a known wallet. An exchange, vendor, et cetera . Subpoena, find their counterparty, rinse and repeat. Best case: you find your guy. Consolation: mo…

Of course with enough effort and investment you can probably stop many things, the point is whether the increasing marginal costs of enforcement are worth it to the government and society. By that same argument, the US could round up every illegal immigrant and deport them, or every casual drug user and lock them up for life. We don't do that because it'd be ruinously expensive (not to mention immoral) and transform…

I'm shocked at how often tumblers come up on this site. It seems very clear to me that using a tumbler is straight up money laundering.

Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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post #314

Another day, another HN title changed without any clear rationale. Was the original "Stripe ends Bitcoin support" really so bad that it had to be changed to "Ending Bitcoin Support"?

They have a policy of _always_ changing it to match the title of the linked article. Most of the time this is either an improvement or (as in this case) neutral. I do wish they'd allow a little more editorializing, quite frankly. The linked title is not _always_ an improvement.

Ah! That's interesting, I didn't realize it was an official policy. Given that, wouldn't it make sense to generate the post titles from the element of the link automatically?
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