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Is anybody here using perl 6 in production at the moment? Or perl 5 for that matter?
If you would have actually read the blog post, you would have seen a "Rakudo Perl 6 in production" section in it.
Sorry if that sounds harsh but in Python, Ruby, even Perl 5 large companies that bet the farm on the language are ten a penny
how would one describe Perl 6 type system? Is it dynamically typed, optionally typed, statically typed?
> sub f(Int $x) { $x + 1 }
sub f (Int $x) { #`(Sub|140221097113944) ... }
> sub g(Str $x) { f($x) }
===SORRY!=== Error while compiling:
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I disagree. To me Perl is more readable than Python. What is so modern about Python? It was released in 1991.
Compared to Perl, the overall under-use of special characters and the forced indentation make it objectively more readable; there is a reason it's often compared to pseudocode. Age of release is a meaningless metric, btw. For starters, what Python was in 1991 is very different from what it was in the early 2000s, when it reached critical mass. Its modernity is measurable by the influence it had on most languages desi…
So you are measuring "modernity" by legacy?
Also, I don't see any Python influence in Go and from the brief exposure I've had to Swift, I'd say there isn't much influence there either.
By your axiom, one could argue that C is a modern language.
I spent a huge amount of time in my 20's writing Perl 4 & 5 scripts. Even though I no longer use Perl, I still feel nostalgic about it. That said, I can't find any reason to pick up Perl 6 and start learning it. With so many other useful and interesting languages out there: Python, Elixir, Elm, Rust, etc... what appeal should Perl 6 have to the masses these days? Is anyone jumping into Perl 6 like they did with Ruby…
I'm not really understanding the lack of love for Perl 6 unless it's from folks that have invested careers in Perl 5 and are miffed by the compatibility story.
For example can someone point to the analog of this https://docs.perl6.org/language/grammars in Python, Ruby, Groovy etc?
Also, https://modules.perl6.org/ seems to be growing.
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I disagree. To me Perl is more readable than Python. What is so modern about Python? It was released in 1991.
Compared to Perl, the overall under-use of special characters and the forced indentation make it objectively more readable; there is a reason it's often compared to pseudocode. Age of release is a meaningless metric, btw. For starters, what Python was in 1991 is very different from what it was in the early 2000s, when it reached critical mass. Its modernity is measurable by the influence it had on most languages desi…
That being said I agree that these days the tendency across all languages is to go towards fewer special characters, not more. In this context Perl 6's syntax feels a bit anachronistic.
Maybe you'll be able to win a few new user by telling them that in Perl 6 they can use × for *, Ⅻ for 12 and [unicode atom symbol]++ (ironically HN automatically removes the actual symbol when I submit) for atomic incrementation but I expect that many more will recoil in horror. I won't even talk about »=» and the ascii equivalent >>[=]>>.
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The failure to admit it was going slowly was another killer. It will be released at Christmas, we just aren't telling you which one. After a few years of hoping, I gave up and am in the world of Python and Django. Its a shame as Perl feels like a more powerful / expressive language than Python.
This. Being "forced to use Python" sucks as a Perl developer.
I mean it only as a half joke, unfortunately.
I don’t understand why Perl 5 and 6 are still tied together as if they are the same language. There’s no compatibility between the two. You can’t write a library that works in both versions, so you lose CPAN and the thousands of packages that make Perl so powerful. I don’t think there’s even any reliable way to translate Perl 5 source code. This is a vastly larger change than python 2->3, and people are still using p…
Should have chosen a different name for the language.
Is anybody here using perl 6 in production at the moment? Or perl 5 for that matter?
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Why not? It's a neat way of showing off fundamental Unicode support, and AFAIK there are ASCII equivalents for all of them, in case you have no idea how to enter ⤐ or whatever.
Well, this way you will have 2 versions of code in the wild, ascii and non-ascii. We will need to memorize both, which makes it harder to learn, and also having 2 versions of syntax that you run into puts unnecessary mental strain on a developer having to switch between contexts. Perl's motto was always "There's more than one way to do it", but IMHO it was also the root of many of its weaknesses. It just makes code m…
So are you suggesting that Perl should discard its TIMTOWDI philosophy? It won't be Perl anymore then, would it?