Turning Down a Blockchain Job Offer
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Re: Turning Down a Blockchain Job Offer
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
I spent most of last year working on a high-paying project for a huge company that was the dumbest shit imaginable and everyone on this thread would heap scorn if they saw it. I earn more than I know what to do with and would love to work on something actually useful for a change even if it meant less money and 10 year old tech.
What tech stack are you working on, so that I can replace you in the future when I get bored chasing unicorns?
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#223I don't understand the high horse. Accept the offer, rake in the cash, move on. Whether or not the company eventually becomes a success does not affect the money you have raked in. Be greedy, the investors are. If you're an engineer, you're the needed fuel they need for their fire.
Of course, if you go through the world without ethical concerns, then your plan sounds pretty good.
I am advocating it [this strategy] in this instance. It's not like this is weapons/defence, private prisons, tracking or mining.
It's a blockchain startup.
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they were centralized they would most definitely have reversible transactions, and probably NOT be anonymous.
Not necessarily. Right now cash is anonymous. It changes hands without any record. It has no provenance. And is a centralized currency. There was a joke at the top of the crypto reddit a few days ago about how cash is just more convenient than bitcoin for ordering a pizza. It doesn't have to be government but I would like to see a trusted owner actually own the governance of a crypto currency. Right now it is way too…
Maybe this is the reason why most governments would like to ban cash? Or at least restrict the amounts being processed by one entity. It's all about control.
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#225> It seems like people already know that they want to use a blockchain even before they understand what the problem is, basically a solution in search of problems. This is the story with basically any startup in a hot space. This could be just as easily about AI / Machine Learning.
I hear you, but I have to point out that ML at least have already shown that can solve problems that need to be solved which had no solution before.
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#226I disagree, although the ecosystem is filled with scams, and evangelists have financial interests in promoting their believes, there are some promising advantages. Also the energy requirements for PoW systems are cheap compared to its gains as pointed out by Nick Szabo: "We need more socially scalable ways to securely count nodes, or to put it another way to with as much robustness against corruption as possible, ass…
> It allows one to seamlessly and securely work across human trust boundaries That's not really true though. The "trust boundaries" still exist when you try to convert your tokens into spendable money. Also, blockchain enthusiasts seem to forget that blockchain tokens are built on an intricate house-of-cards that can easily collapse under disaster circumstances. There is an implied trust that is always taken for gran…
Re: Turning Down a Blockchain Job Offer
#227The benefits of blockchain outweigh the initial costs involved in kickstarting the ecosystem. The same initial flurry of investment happened when the internet was created. Look how that turned out.
Why do you think the comparison with the internet is fair? Why not compare it with the initial flurry of investment into dotcom no-hopers like pets.com and webvan.com ?
The internet democratized the sharing of information. Prior to this it was quite difficult and expensive to communicate with thousands of people all over the world. With the advent of the internet, it became cheap and accessible to anyone with a connection (I am obviously skewing my world view by considering only those with connections).
With cheap communication comes increased trade and we initially saw many companies trying to cash in on the new routes to market (Amazon, eBay, Pets.com, ...). However, these have more or less developed into monopolies over time. How many startup retailers could challenge Amazon?
Blockchain should result in the democratization of transactions as it reduces the barrier to entry for anyone with access to a shared global computer which utilises smart contracts. It's useful to highlight this with an example:
I have $1000 of gold and you have $1000. We need to exchange these items. We could just meet in the street and exchange the items but this would be considered risky as either one of us could attempt to mug the other and run off with $2000 worth of assets. Therefore, we employ the services of a mediator or escrow.
Q - Is it better to pay the mediator $10 each or $100 each?
-------------------- Think carefully --------------------
A - $100
This is counterintuitive as we obviously would prefer to pay $10 each and receive $990 in assets at the end of the trade. However, the incentive for the escrow to simply run off with the assets is greatly reduced if we pay them more for the trade.
An escrow who takes $200 from a $2000 trade only needs to complete 10 trades before they have $2000 in assets. An escrow who takes $20 per trade would need to complete 100 trades before they have $2000 in assets.
You may be wondering why I'm telling you this so I'll cut to the point. The escrow in this example is a real person. The escrow in blockchain is a smart contract that literally cannot run away with the money. It can only send funds from one account A to account B or from account B to account A when it has received both sets of assets. The cost of this smart contract is therefore (in Ethereum's case) the cost of the computation on the network, which is exceptionally low in comparison to the human escrow. Even if someone was to create a contract that took %10 per trade, someone else could copy the contract and reduce the fee. This would happen until the cost of running and maintaining escrow contracts found it's market value.
In summary, the $200 fee becomes cents. These kind of operations are made available to the general public on a world computer. This approach can be applied to ANYTHING that can have it's value represented as a digital token. Take a minute to consider this - it's grand.
In the short term, Monopolies like Amazon and eBay begin to lose their competitive edge. This is the democratization of trade.
In the long term, we have a global interoperable platform capable of trading anything you can imagine. (For a science fiction extrapolation of this see "Whuffie" in Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom by Cory Doctorow).
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you think the comparison with the internet is fair? Why not compare it with the initial flurry of investment into dotcom no-hopers like pets.com and webvan.com ?
They are one and the same. There are of course plenty of "no hoper" ICOs that will cease to exist, much like the dotcom boom. The internet democratized the sharing of information. Prior to this it was quite difficult and expensive to communicate with thousands of people all over the world. With the advent of the internet, it became cheap and accessible to anyone with a connection (I am obviously skewing my world view…
How does your contract move gold from you to me? If it doesn't (which it obviously doesn't), how is it removing the utility of escrow? In fact, what is it achieving in this case that does something different to a traditional payment system?
And in what conceivable way has this anything to do with the utility of Amazon or eBay?
That's not to say that smart contracts cannot have any utility, they can. I could imagine, for example, that they could replace a lot of the functions of notaries. Or, in fact, any case where the primary problem is a common understanding of the state changes of a digital asset. But I can't see how they have any utility in any of the examples you cite beyond a mundane payment system.
Re: Turning Down a Blockchain Job Offer
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are one and the same. There are of course plenty of "no hoper" ICOs that will cease to exist, much like the dotcom boom. The internet democratized the sharing of information. Prior to this it was quite difficult and expensive to communicate with thousands of people all over the world. With the advent of the internet, it became cheap and accessible to anyone with a connection (I am obviously skewing my world view…
OK, I'll bite. How does your contract move gold from you to me? If it doesn't (which it obviously doesn't), how is it removing the utility of escrow? In fact, what is it achieving in this case that does something different to a traditional payment system? And in what conceivable way has this anything to do with the utility of Amazon or eBay? That's not to say that smart contracts cannot have any utility, they can. I…
They do not move the physical gold - they move the ownership of a digital token tied to gold, at a far lesser fee than current digital escrow. This is the same as ETF gold currently. Not many people receive actual, physical gold.
In the case that you needed to receive the physical gold, the cost of trusting a delivery person remains fairly constant (until we have autonomous delivery robots). However, the proof of ownership can no longer be tampered with, as it exists on a global ledger. This reduces the overall transaction fee.
The transaction is a transfer of value. Amazon and eBay are also facilitators of value transactions. The same economic rules apply albeit on a much smaller scale. Extrapolate this and any transaction of a digital asset can benefit from reduced mediator fees. The scale of this is quite large.
I think this is well summarised here: https://www.ibm.com/blogs/insights-on-business/retail/transa... Text between asterisks is added by me.
"Consensus: Thanks to the value that smart contracts and shared ledgers offer blockchain users, consensus can be more easily agreed upon and confidently understood. Using blockchain, users can make decisions based on factual data – helping to eliminate disputes, confusion and time (reduced mediator fees). Consensus is built at each step of the supply chain not just at the beginning, when the order is placed and the end, when the order is received. This process enables all parties to resolve issues as they occur and have visibility to take alternative actions if necessary. From a supply chain perspective, this adds tremendous value to merchants, logistic companies, vendors and all others working together to deliver timely, efficient inventory deliveries, re-orders and more. This is particularly important when you factor in that data – and data alone – is what leads supply chain leaders in their immediate and future decisions. Without concrete data to refer to and analyze, decisions cannot be as precisely made between both internal and external partners alike."
TLDR: reduced mediator fees reduce barriers to entry in any market where value transactions occur.
Re: Turning Down a Blockchain Job Offer
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
OK, I'll bite. How does your contract move gold from you to me? If it doesn't (which it obviously doesn't), how is it removing the utility of escrow? In fact, what is it achieving in this case that does something different to a traditional payment system? And in what conceivable way has this anything to do with the utility of Amazon or eBay? That's not to say that smart contracts cannot have any utility, they can. I…
Excellent! They do not move the physical gold - they move the ownership of a digital token tied to gold, at a far lesser fee than current digital escrow. This is the same as ETF gold currently. Not many people receive actual, physical gold. In the case that you needed to receive the physical gold, the cost of trusting a delivery person remains fairly constant (until we have autonomous delivery robots). However, the p…
If you're not moving the gold, who needs escrow? You're just describing a cash settled spot market.
> the cost of trusting a delivery person remains fairly constant
Indeed, as you're having no effect on either escrow or post-settlement delivery. But that's my point, smart contracts don't make a blind bit of difference.
> Amazon and eBay are also facilitators of value transactions
The value is in the goods turning up. Smart contracts don't help at all outside digital assets. Or more specifically, the payment process is trivial compared to the logistics process. The value is almost all in the latter.
That's not generally true for digital assets. But today, the main challenges with those are to do with rights and marketing/discovery. Again, that's the value, today, of Amazon in that space. Disrupting transactions is irrelevant.
Now, I'm not saying the tricky bits can't be disintermediated. That's already started. But TBH if and when that does occur, why go to all that trouble and leave the transaction system as a fee taker? Disintermediate that too.