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Re: Hetzner Cloud

#51

Post by z3t4 » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 11:09 AM UTC

I hope they grab enough market share to force other providers to lower their prices, Hetzner is like 10x cheaper and on better network and hardware then their competitors.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#52

Post by TimWolla » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 11:11 AM UTC

superasn wrote: post #49

For someone who knows about networking can you please comment on the following: 1. What would be the downside of hosting my Apache server on Hezner instead of AWS? Will it affect load times, website SEO, downtime? 2. Hosting Mysql Server on CX31 on Hezner instead of AWS? If my Apache server is on Ec2 and I make a connection to a Mysql server on Hezner will it affect performance of my sites because they're hosted on d…

1. Load time depends on the location of your visitors, see #2. Downtime is hard to evaluate, I expect the cloud to be fairly stable based on my experience with Hetzner.

2. For sure of you are using AWS in US: Traffic across the atlantic will incur at least ~65ms latency per roundtrip.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#53

Post by tobltobs » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 11:13 AM UTC

Good to see Hetzner catching up to OVH. Some crude comparison of their offers:

Hetzner

    CX11
    € 2,96
    1	vCPU
    2 GB	RAM
    20 GB	NVMe SSD
    20 TB	Traffic
    
    
    CX21
    € 5,83
    2	vCPU
    4 GB	RAM
    40 GB	NVMe SSD
    20 TB	Traffic
    
    CX31
    € 10,59
    2	vCPU
    8 GB	RAM
    80 GB	NVMe SSD
    20 TB	Traffic
    
    CX41
    € 18,92
    4	vCPU
    16 GB	RAM
    160 GB	NVMe SSD
    20 TB	Traffic
    
    CX51
    € 35,58
    8	vCPU
    32 GB	RAM
    240 GB	NVMe SSD
    20 TB	Traffic

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OVH

    VPS SSD 1
    1 vCore(s)
    2 Go de RAM
    10 Go SSD
    3,99 €
    
    VPS SSD 2
    1 vCore(s)
    4 Go de RAM
    20 Go SSD
    6,99 €
    
    VPS SSD 3
    2 vCore(s)
    8 Go de RAM
    40 Go SSD
    12,99 €

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#54

Post by superasn » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 11:15 AM UTC

TimWolla wrote: post #52

superasn wrote: post #49

For someone who knows about networking can you please comment on the following: 1. What would be the downside of hosting my Apache server on Hezner instead of AWS? Will it affect load times, website SEO, downtime? 2. Hosting Mysql Server on CX31 on Hezner instead of AWS? If my Apache server is on Ec2 and I make a connection to a Mysql server on Hezner will it affect performance of my sites because they're hosted on d…

1. Load time depends on the location of your visitors, see #2. Downtime is hard to evaluate, I expect the cloud to be fairly stable based on my experience with Hetzner. 2. For sure of you are using AWS in US: Traffic across the atlantic will incur at least ~65ms latency per roundtrip.

Thanks. So it would be best to host on Hezner too. That's fine with me.

Can you comment if the location of my IP will affect my website SEO wrt to USA visitors?

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#55

Post by chris-ux_hcloud » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 11:15 AM UTC

MulliMulli wrote: post #38

hit8run wrote: post #29

Can anyone compare their service to Linode or DigitalOcean? I'm currently using Linode but the Hetzner prices seem way lower: For 35€ a month I get 32GB RAM, 8 vCPUs, 240GB SSD + 20TB Traffic. The comparable 40$ plan for Linode offers 8GB RAM 4 CPU Cores 48GB SSD and 3 TB Transfer (See: https://www.linode.com/pricing ) Am I missing something or is Hetzner just way more competetive? https://www.linode.com/pricing

I have multiple Barebone servers with Hetzner, never had any problems. The only thing I don't like is their control panel. Edit: Their Cloudhosting control panel is top notch.

Hi! :)

The whole architecture has been redeveloped from scratch. We have also designed and developed an entirely new control panel called the Hetzner Cloud Console. It is and will be actively worked on to make it as easy to use as possible for our users. Feedback is highly appreciated :) Also the new cloud servers are billed hourly instead of monthly, as the old VPS were.

Full disclosure: I work for Hetzner Cloud as UX Designer.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#56

Post by dx034 » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 11:16 AM UTC

superasn wrote: post #49

For someone who knows about networking can you please comment on the following: 1. What would be the downside of hosting my Apache server on Hezner instead of AWS? Will it affect load times, website SEO, downtime? 2. Hosting Mysql Server on CX31 on Hezner instead of AWS? If my Apache server is on Ec2 and I make a connection to a Mysql server on Hezner will it affect performance of my sites because they're hosted on d…

Since I have some experience with Hetzner:

1. Pings within Europe can be a bit longer than to other providers, they lack peering with some providers. However, nothing noticeable (10-20ms max) and behind cloudflare TTFB wasn't longer than with other providers. Keep in mind that this is central Europe, ~15ms more from the US compared to Google Cloud BE or OVH in France and around ~20-25ms longer latency to the US compared to UK/Ireland. I've never experienced downtime but follow their status on twitter and they sometimes have (announced) maintenance for vhosts, think they don't live migrate customers. But I've also experienced that with AWS.

SEO is dependent on response times and the provider shouldn't make a difference.

2. That shouldn't be an issue and they peer with Amazon in Frankfurt. Expect 20ms round trip per db query (from a European DC). Can make a difference for websites with a lot of small queries. I would keep webserver and database closer together and rather keep Apache also on Hetzner.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#57

Post by r3bl » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 11:16 AM UTC

insomniacity wrote: post #9

Hetzner still haven't said anything to me about Spectre/Meltdown, or rebooted my VPS, so I'm not sure I trust them any more!

Prior to this announcement, the announcement about Spectre/Meltdown migration was literally at the very top of their customer homepage. After this announcement, it is the second thing you see when you log in: https://i.imgur.com/XTSTHkR.jpg

I can't think of an approach that would be more direct to their customers than seeing it on top of their customer homepage.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#58

Post by mythz » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 11:17 AM UTC

Been using Hetzner for years, their hardware's has been rock solid, predictable pricing with sweet price/performance ratio resulting in large savings from consolidating existing AWS EC2 instances.

Still using AWS for Apps which rely on cloud features, e.g. SES/RDS/etc but for static servers Hetzner is now our goto.

Super exciting to see them entering the cloud space and offering easy snapshots + backups, should open it to hosting more stuff on there.

The one difference is noticeable latency from their DC in Germany vs the instant response times I was getting from AWS's N.Virgina DC. Would obviously love it if Hetzner could open a DC in the US.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#59

Post by TimWolla » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 11:17 AM UTC

superasn wrote: post #54

TimWolla wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Load time depends on the location of your visitors, see #2. Downtime is hard to evaluate, I expect the cloud to be fairly stable based on my experience with Hetzner. 2. For sure of you are using AWS in US: Traffic across the atlantic will incur at least ~65ms latency per roundtrip.

Thanks. So it would be best to host on Hezner too. That's fine with me. Can you comment if the location of my IP will affect my website SEO wrt to USA visitors?

SEO is a black box, so there are no definite answers. It will affect load times (the 60ms) and that could have an effect on search engines.

Re: Hetzner Cloud

#60

Post by dx034 » Tue, Jan 23, 2018, 11:17 AM UTC

superasn wrote: post #54

TimWolla wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Load time depends on the location of your visitors, see #2. Downtime is hard to evaluate, I expect the cloud to be fairly stable based on my experience with Hetzner. 2. For sure of you are using AWS in US: Traffic across the atlantic will incur at least ~65ms latency per roundtrip.

Thanks. So it would be best to host on Hezner too. That's fine with me. Can you comment if the location of my IP will affect my website SEO wrt to USA visitors?

No it won't. US for European servers is no problem, round trip of <200ms is hardly noticeable (unless you have a lot of round trips and no CDN). It appears that Google looks at render times (at least that's what they communicate) and it's easy to lose 200ms by having 5 js resources even if the server is close. But Asian visitors will notice a deterioration if you had a server in US-West before. Latency Europe-East Asia/Australia is very high.