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Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by nikcub »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #3
kchoudhu wrote: post #2

This is as good a summary of what's going on in the GCC these days as I've seen since the blockade began in July, which is to say that everyone can describe what is happening, but no one seems to be able to explain why it is happening. The article's focus on regional leaders' egos is misplaced, I think, and fairly representative of our media's tendency to scrape the surface of any regional conflict that isn't in Euro…

Qatar has natural gas and connections to Iran. And is still in the black economically. When I look at Saudi Arabia it looks like over time their oil income which pays all the bills is fixed while their population keeps growing. Both common poor people and the number of ultra rich. Divide one by the other and it's not pretty. UAE has no oil or gas income and is living off loans. Probably part of the reason the current…

> UAE has no oil or gas income and is living off loans.

You're thinking of Dubai. The major emirate has always been Abu Dhabi and they're resource rich a.f (and they provider of many loans to Dubai, including financing of the Burj Khalifa)

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Post by psergeant »

_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

> The article is just another Western propaganda

Your rebuttal appears to be very close to the viewpoint that Russian propaganda is trying to promote

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Post by caf »

roadbeats wrote: post #15
caf wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are completely misreading this article. It isn't painting Qatar as any kind of enemy - the article reads as very sympathetic to the Qatari position (which basically is that the Saudis consider it a vassal and aren't happy with it daring to have an independent foreign policy).

I can't imagine a "very sympathetic" article accusing a country for hosting "terrorists". Did we read the same article ?

It referred to the case of one alleged terrorist financier who was put before their courts and not convicted. That hardly seems like an accusation against the country, accused people are found not guilty in countries all over the world every day.

Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by psergeant »

nashashmi wrote: post #17
_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

Your information has depth. What articles have you been reading? I want to learn more.

I suspect RT and Sputnik both will be able to provide a wealth of similar viewpoints

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Post by roadbeats »

psergeant wrote: post #22
_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

> The article is just another Western propaganda Your rebuttal appears to be very close to the viewpoint that Russian propaganda is trying to promote

I'm sure Russian propaganda could be more reliable than American propaganda when it comes to Middle East :)

My sources are not media and propaganda though. I read & also travel a lot. Before the war my cousin and I were importing carpet from Syria. During the war I traveled along Turkey - Syria border twice, also to the south side, Jordan.

And since the beginning of this war, I think about it almost every day, feel deeply sad about how a beautiful country got ruined by some dickheads for no reason...

Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by kchoudhu »

jessaustin wrote: post #8
kchoudhu wrote: post #2

This is as good a summary of what's going on in the GCC these days as I've seen since the blockade began in July, which is to say that everyone can describe what is happening, but no one seems to be able to explain why it is happening. The article's focus on regional leaders' egos is misplaced, I think, and fairly representative of our media's tendency to scrape the surface of any regional conflict that isn't in Euro…

Al Jazeera has got to have something to do with it, right? The biggest threats to royalty are always their subjects, and even if AJ is somewhat discredited as Qatari propaganda in its neighbor's societies, it is also certainly more than that. As someone from a different hemisphere, I have to say the AJ Roku app is the single best way I've found to watch news. No one is risking the ire of his rulers to check out what…

The Al Jazeera thing always struck me as a canard: it's been in operation for the last 20 years, why did it suddenly become such a sticking point in 2017?

Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by rgbrenner »

_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

The goal was to create a new pipeline from Qatar to Europe so Europe don’t have to buy gas from Russia.

Your missing something obvious with this conspiracy theory. Look at a map. Iraq borders both SA and Turkey. It would be cheaper to build through Iraq than destabilize an entire country.

Believe it or not, every time something goes wrong in the world, the US is not behind it. These conspiracy theories help no one.

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Post by josephjrobison »

_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

Yes, it’s 100% a foreign policy goal for the US and all NATO and EU members to wean Eastern Europe and Germany off Russian oil, that’s no secret!

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Post by roadbeats »

rgbrenner wrote: post #27
_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

The goal was to create a new pipeline from Qatar to Europe so Europe don’t have to buy gas from Russia. Your missing something obvious with this conspiracy theory. Look at a map. Iraq borders both SA and Turkey. It would be cheaper to build through Iraq than destabilize an entire country. Believe it or not, every time something goes wrong in the world, the US is not behind it. These conspiracy theories help no one.

Would Iran let a pipeline pass through the Shia land next to it ? There is a short pipeline from North Iraq to Turkey, you need to research about it. Syria was the best bet and that also didn't work.

Believe it or not, every time something goes wrong in the world, the US is not behind it.

Ok, so you're just working on other people's democracies for their benefit. Gotcha.

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