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Artist Nan Goldin​ takes on the billionaire family behind OxyContin

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Re: Artist Nan Goldin​ takes on the billionaire family behind OxyContin

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Stop this insane vilification of opioids. This is turning into another moral panic; yet another iteration of the never ending war on drugs. We keep doing this: from prohibition of alcohol to banning pot and psychedelics. It doesn't work. Opioids are incredibly useful. Vilifying people for providing a pain-relieving medication because they are sometimes misused is disgraceful.

What an incredibly naive statement.

Re: Artist Nan Goldin​ takes on the billionaire family behind OxyContin

#22

Stop this insane vilification of opioids. This is turning into another moral panic; yet another iteration of the never ending war on drugs. We keep doing this: from prohibition of alcohol to banning pot and psychedelics. It doesn't work. Opioids are incredibly useful. Vilifying people for providing a pain-relieving medication because they are sometimes misused is disgraceful.

They are useful.

However: I think there was a bit of deceit in the initial marketing push by the drug manufacturers which indicated "not addictive" when this was known to be false, so over-perscribed.

Re: Artist Nan Goldin​ takes on the billionaire family behind OxyContin

#24

Stop this insane vilification of opioids. This is turning into another moral panic; yet another iteration of the never ending war on drugs. We keep doing this: from prohibition of alcohol to banning pot and psychedelics. It doesn't work. Opioids are incredibly useful. Vilifying people for providing a pain-relieving medication because they are sometimes misused is disgraceful.

As with the rest of the Drug War the only losers are the hard working taxpayers, and the elderly or disabled who depend on the drug for pain relief via government support. It is doing nothing to stop the flow of drugs, fentanyl is flowing into the streets from China now, in addition to the existing infrastructure bringing in black tar from South America and heroin from the Golden Triangle in Asia.

Re: Artist Nan Goldin​ takes on the billionaire family behind OxyContin

#25

Stop this insane vilification of opioids. This is turning into another moral panic; yet another iteration of the never ending war on drugs. We keep doing this: from prohibition of alcohol to banning pot and psychedelics. It doesn't work. Opioids are incredibly useful. Vilifying people for providing a pain-relieving medication because they are sometimes misused is disgraceful.

Don't you know people can't be trusted? e.g. compulsory seat belt use laws.

What about the hundreds of millions car companies invest in safety features now? Would they not care about it and the endless industry safety reviews ratings had we not had seat belts pushed onto every car company in the 70s? Private companies invented the seat belt in the late 40s without any regulation asking them too. There is a strong demand for safety features both by pure sales demand and liability by the courts.

The revelation back then was exactly how dangerous cars were and the importance of safety practices. And it's good it was formalized in things like driver training courses and licensing which verifies people understand that before entering a vehicle. As well as advertising campaigns and other efforts to push the idea.

Re: Artist Nan Goldin​ takes on the billionaire family behind OxyContin

#26

Stop this insane vilification of opioids. This is turning into another moral panic; yet another iteration of the never ending war on drugs. We keep doing this: from prohibition of alcohol to banning pot and psychedelics. It doesn't work. Opioids are incredibly useful. Vilifying people for providing a pain-relieving medication because they are sometimes misused is disgraceful.

What an incredibly naive statement.

How so?

I've used Oxycontin before. I used it for one week, as prescribed, and it helped me recover from a painful medical issue. I'm grateful it was available to me.

For the photographer profiled in this piece to take zero responsibility for her predicament, particularly since she's struggled with opiod and other types of addiction currently and in the past, is absurd.

She's in effect saying, "I abused this drug, so other people should be barred from using it." I reject that full stop. Some people abuse alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, etc., but that doesn't mean that it should be banned.

Re: Artist Nan Goldin​ takes on the billionaire family behind OxyContin

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I don't think it is appropriate to blame doctors in the US for this. She was initially prescribed the drug in Berlin. The article mentions that she was in a high-risk group that should not be prescribed the drug, but it is likely that the European doctor was legitimately unaware of that. "When, back in New York, doctors refused to supply her any more, she turned to the black market, and to cheaper hard street drugs w…

Drug addiction is so bad because drugs fuck with your priorities at a very basic level. Asking someone to give up a heroin addiction is kind of like asking you to abandon your children. Sure it is physically possible to do it (not even that hard, really!) but if you have kids you know how impossible that would feel. And when you are off them, you still feel that affinity, just as you would forever miss your kids.

You're close.

I's more like if when your kids aren't around, you get sick.

And it would be incredibly easy to go get your kids back. Like maybe they're just at their grandma's house or something, idk the analogy gets kinda weird.

So you get sick, and not just "feeling a bit green," but fetal position, rocking back and forth, vomiting, runny nose, achy muscle sick. You'll grind your teeth and it's all you can think about, followed by weeks of insomnia.

And after the initial WDing, starts Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome, 6 months to 2 years of feeling shitty (depression, insomnia, mania, restless legs, cravings). And the worst part is a simple phone call and a 20 minute drive could make everything better...at least for a little while.

Re: Artist Nan Goldin​ takes on the billionaire family behind OxyContin

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What an incredibly naive statement.

How so? I've used Oxycontin before. I used it for one week, as prescribed, and it helped me recover from a painful medical issue. I'm grateful it was available to me. For the photographer profiled in this piece to take zero responsibility for her predicament, particularly since she's struggled with opiod and other types of addiction currently and in the past, is absurd. She's in effect saying, "I abused this drug, so…

Sorry, where are you getting that she believes other people should be barred from using Oxycontin?

Re: Artist Nan Goldin​ takes on the billionaire family behind OxyContin

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I don't think you quite understand how drug addiction works. It's not a simple matter of "take responsibility". Particularly since she didn't set out to be a drug addict - she was prescribed a painkiller, and took it by prescription. That has happened to rather a lot of people.

I hate this response. It's such a classic copout and one that attempts to completely nullify any argument for personal responsibility. We just don't "understand" how drug addiction works. Right. How have some people come to believe that simply being prescribed these medications and taking them as prescribed STRIPS the patient of mental faculty to notice a problem, and renders them utterly dependent and hopeless? That…

Sounds like textbook "not understanding how addiction works" to me.

Re: Artist Nan Goldin​ takes on the billionaire family behind OxyContin

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you quite understand how drug addiction works. It's not a simple matter of "take responsibility". Particularly since she didn't set out to be a drug addict - she was prescribed a painkiller, and took it by prescription. That has happened to rather a lot of people.

I hate this response. It's such a classic copout and one that attempts to completely nullify any argument for personal responsibility. We just don't "understand" how drug addiction works. Right. How have some people come to believe that simply being prescribed these medications and taking them as prescribed STRIPS the patient of mental faculty to notice a problem, and renders them utterly dependent and hopeless? That…

Well, nobody is arguing addiction completely strips mental agency. However, it’s also absurd assigning all the factors at play here to “self control”. That’s something you tell yourself when you don’t want to think about the problem and what would help people; that something you tell yourself to dismiss peoples suffering.

If you actually have a thought that might help, it will almost certainly have to have some sort of nuanced understanding of how humans interact with drugs. You clearly lack this.

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