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One Bitcoin miner is buying 20,000 16nm wafers from TSMC per month

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Re: One Bitcoin miner is buying 20,000 16nm wafers from TSMC per month

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard that Google has a decent amount of custom silicon too.

[I don't know about Google but] lots of people do relatively specialized silicon. However, rarely that happens at the most advanced processes (i.e. low nm).

That's totally fair. Google's parts that I know about are security coprocessors (like a TPM) that wouldn't really need the newest process.

They probably have NICs too that might make sense at that node though.

Re: One Bitcoin miner is buying 20,000 16nm wafers from TSMC per month

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The article is pretty light, are these whole wafers? What size?

Is there even a reputable source for this info, I'm not familiar with the guy who tweeted it. But if I was trying to further inflate my bubble I'd probably tweet stuff like this.

Re: One Bitcoin miner is buying 20,000 16nm wafers from TSMC per month

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apply that to energy efficiency research as well. The monetary incentives are too strong for it not to happen.

I don't think it's possible to be energy efficient in a proof-of-work blockchain? Whatever energy saving you come up with will be negated by having to match competing miners' increasing throughput. If you are not running on 100% you are losing out?

Does the efficiencies discovered not get distributed to the rest of the economy? My point was that it could lead to developments in energy use beneficial in separate domains.

Re: One Bitcoin miner is buying 20,000 16nm wafers from TSMC per month

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It seems these large players will do everything in their power to make sure this bubble does not pop. I do not know the size of such investment, but it seems to me that these players have the ability to keep the price from crashing and keep the bubble from popping.

See, I had a different thought here. If anything, mining new bitcoins reduces the value of current ones. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what's keeping the bubble from bursting is more dollars coming in - big miners aren't doing that, they don't buy their BTC. Unlike a clueless average Joe at home, they're running huge businesses, as this article suggests, so they're probably smarter. Does anyone know what the math here…

Big buyers/sellers can influence the price and the price irrationally influences buyers.

Re: One Bitcoin miner is buying 20,000 16nm wafers from TSMC per month

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post #6

It seems these large players will do everything in their power to make sure this bubble does not pop. I do not know the size of such investment, but it seems to me that these players have the ability to keep the price from crashing and keep the bubble from popping.

See, I had a different thought here. If anything, mining new bitcoins reduces the value of current ones. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what's keeping the bubble from bursting is more dollars coming in - big miners aren't doing that, they don't buy their BTC. Unlike a clueless average Joe at home, they're running huge businesses, as this article suggests, so they're probably smarter. Does anyone know what the math here…

The thing that you're missing is that Bitcoin mining has a fixed reward schedule that is independent from the number of miners. If you have more miners, that just means that each miner is yielding less Bitcoin (this is accomplished by scaling the difficulty level, which is currently 1,590,896,927,258X what it was when Bitcoin was released in 2009).

The result is that the only factor that affects whether someone chooses to engage is mining is if it is profitable.

Re: One Bitcoin miner is buying 20,000 16nm wafers from TSMC per month

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post #6

It seems these large players will do everything in their power to make sure this bubble does not pop. I do not know the size of such investment, but it seems to me that these players have the ability to keep the price from crashing and keep the bubble from popping.

See, I had a different thought here. If anything, mining new bitcoins reduces the value of current ones. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what's keeping the bubble from bursting is more dollars coming in - big miners aren't doing that, they don't buy their BTC. Unlike a clueless average Joe at home, they're running huge businesses, as this article suggests, so they're probably smarter. Does anyone know what the math here…

Mining new bitcoins makes transaction easier, which improves liquidity of current bitcoins. That certainly should have a positive effect on the theoretical value of a bitcoin.

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Just a thought, if we use even 1% of all computing power that is currently being used for mining cryptocurrency, what can it be used to accomplished?

Nothing more useful for humanity, I think. It is literally mining electronic gold which facilitates transactions removing need for trusted third party. You may not ever pay for something "useful" in your life in bitcoin, like you've probably never paid with gold, which is still useful for governments and big investors as store of value.

The gold that is mined has useful industrial application. Not so sure about Cryptocurrency..

Re: One Bitcoin miner is buying 20,000 16nm wafers from TSMC per month

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post #6

It seems these large players will do everything in their power to make sure this bubble does not pop. I do not know the size of such investment, but it seems to me that these players have the ability to keep the price from crashing and keep the bubble from popping.

Wouldn't that hasten and worsen the inevitable pop?

hasten? No, delay the pop if anything. Worsen? Likely
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