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“The Problem Child of Seasonal Flu”: Beware This Winter’s Virus

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I'm in the southern hemisphere (NZ) and I got it after new years, It's the first time I've ever had the flu during summer.

I got the flu shot late last year, but it didn't help much against this strain. I'm just getting over it now. It's a quite a nasty cold.

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Any actual numbers for how much worse H3 is vs H1 in general? I know the question isn’t quite so simple as mortality rates change over time after a new strain emerges and starts circulating. But TFA seems to be devoid of any actual quantitative data to backup its thesis.

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This article is good and reminded me of a key issue: herd immunity. I wish I could explain to more of my friends how irresponsible it is to not get the flu shot - they view it as simply an individual decision like "I'm choosing to not get the shot knowing full well I might get sick" - but they don't think of the possibility that if they do get sick, they may play a part in infecting other, more vulnerable people, such as a grandparent. Even though the vaccine isn't that effective this year, as long as it's at least somewhat effective in mitigating transmission, it's worth it.

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tell me about it. This year my entire house got flu at the same time and, ten days after my fever is gone, I still feel a little down. I have no idea how my kids really feel but my kid has a nasty cough and the other one seems a little "off/tired".

My wife and all of my children are dealing with the flu right now, too. It's the first time my kids have caught it, and according to this article, maybe there's a silver lining...

I had a B strain last February, which was the sickest I've ever been. I got the flu shot this year (quadrivalent vaccine, though apparently not very effective) and I take at least 5,000 IUs of vitamin D every day (though I've upped that to 10,000+ IUs since my family got sick last week). I'm not sick yet this time around. Hoping against hope...

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This article is good and reminded me of a key issue: herd immunity. I wish I could explain to more of my friends how irresponsible it is to not get the flu shot - they view it as simply an individual decision like "I'm choosing to not get the shot knowing full well I might get sick" - but they don't think of the possibility that if they do get sick, they may play a part in infecting other , more vulnerable people, su…

>"Even though the vaccine isn't that effective this year, as long as its at least somewhat effective in mitigating transmission, it's worth it"

How can you tell if something is "worth it" without considering any costs (side effects, price, time, etc)?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, have you taken Vitamin D supplements before for a longer period of time? If yes - what was the daily dosage ? Have you taken flu shots at the beginning of the season?

What would the relationship be between Vit D and this (or any) flu?

As I understand it - many people in the northern hemisphere are Vitamin D deficient and that can lead to suppressed immune function.

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#17
Last year's flu was horrible. My family in MN was still having lingering effects about 4 weeks after the initial sickness. My Dad and brother's stomachs kept acting up. Many a day, they ate only toast.

This looks promising: https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/health/flu-vaccine-design-stu...

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This article is good and reminded me of a key issue: herd immunity. I wish I could explain to more of my friends how irresponsible it is to not get the flu shot - they view it as simply an individual decision like "I'm choosing to not get the shot knowing full well I might get sick" - but they don't think of the possibility that if they do get sick, they may play a part in infecting other , more vulnerable people, su…

Doesn't that just raise the question of why an at-risk elderly person wouldn't get the flu shot to protect themselves from all the people who don't? I've heard this irresponsibility argument a lot, I understand it, but I think it's overblown. Herd immunity works best when the vaccine is actually effective. For flu vaccines, every year they're not very effective.

Re: “The Problem Child of Seasonal Flu”: Beware This Winter’s Virus

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Personal anecdata about this flu season.

I got the flu shot. My spouse did not. They ended up getting the full-blown flu with 103 degree fever and a positive flu test at the doctor. I, on the other hand, felt kind of crappy but I wasn't knocked on my feet and my temperature was normal the whole time. I asked our doctor if I essentially had a milder version of the flu because I got the shot and he said that was basically the case.

So get your shot! Get your shot for herd immunity, get your shot to (apparently) stave off the worst of the virus, get your shot, get your shot.

Re: “The Problem Child of Seasonal Flu”: Beware This Winter’s Virus

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post #15

This article is good and reminded me of a key issue: herd immunity. I wish I could explain to more of my friends how irresponsible it is to not get the flu shot - they view it as simply an individual decision like "I'm choosing to not get the shot knowing full well I might get sick" - but they don't think of the possibility that if they do get sick, they may play a part in infecting other , more vulnerable people, su…

>"Even though the vaccine isn't that effective this year, as long as its at least somewhat effective in mitigating transmission, it's worth it" How can you tell if something is "worth it" without considering any costs (side effects, price, time, etc)?

I suppose if it's only 0.001% effective it would not be worth it, but that's really a pedantic nitpick because we know it's not that ineffective.

The vaccine this year is about 32% effective against H3N2 in the US and 39% effective overall [0]. That's not amazing but it's definitely "worth it" for a few dollars and 5 minutes at a CVS.

[0]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht...

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