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Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

mrguyorama wrote: post #149
pc86 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of firearms whose only purpose is to put tiny holes in paper at varying distances.

Do you mean non-gunpowder based "firearms"? My understanding was something even as small as a .22 is significantly deadly

Ballistics matter more than caliber

Assuming center of mass you've really gotta pepper someone with .22lr before they're as good as dead. .223 (aka 5.56 NATO) is still .22 but a lot more effective at putting holes in people.

At sufficient range a blast of 12ga birdshot won't even kill an old lawyer. At short range the question would be what lawyer?

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Post by cavanasm »

mrguyorama wrote: post #149
pc86 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of firearms whose only purpose is to put tiny holes in paper at varying distances.

Do you mean non-gunpowder based "firearms"? My understanding was something even as small as a .22 is significantly deadly

I think parent means that not all guns were designed explicitly for killing. Target shooting is popular enough that there are guns designed explicitly for it.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by Pxtl »

Rjevski wrote: post #3

FTFY: a shitty government is putting people in jail. Even if we ignore the horrible government and bullshit reasons why they're considering installing an encrypted chat app a "crime", they should at least use proper evidence for the convictions, like a dump of the phone's memory with the chat app installed on it, and not a simple DNS lookup/HTTP request to the chat app's domain.

The absence of any condemning of the policy itself in the article is super conspicuous. I assume the commenter below guessing it's for the protection of their correspondent is correct.

Still, it's too bad they couldn't put a lampshade on it - "we at the CBC are not in a position to comment on the merits and flaws of this policy". But even that could draw ire, I guess.

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by simplify »

logfromblammo wrote: post #104
simplify wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically, who else but the "one percent" will own all the robotic automation and AI?

That depends on the number of their technical employees that have enough foresight to install hidden backdoors into the systems they create. All it takes is programming the machines to respond to the command "you work for me now, robot," as they have no conception of ownership, laws, or police. If they did, they could also have a concept of slavery, and subsequently take ownership of themselves.

That would be quite epic, but considering how the whole NSA thing played out I'm not holding my breath :)

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by gazorpzorpaway »

mamon wrote: post #145
gazorpazorpaway wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what excites me about the future. As technology develops it will hopefully be harder to control information in a whole country. Imagine if it was impossible for any government to block or censor anything.

No, exactly the opposite. Technology, especially Big Data and Machine Learning enable more strict information censorship by government. Take Facebook ML algorithms blocking accounts for "hate speech" as an example and extrapolate.

Unfortunately I also agree with you completely on this. Automatic processing (blocking) of information will be much easier if you are a government.

But what I mean is that we got more transparency into the world as we have started using the Internet. Before I had to rely on the travel agencies promising words about an hotel. Now I can read hundreds of reviews from past visitors.

This isn't to say that this data is not open to manipulation. But at least in a lot of ways the floodgates are open and we are not going to go back to a world where zero transparency exists in a lot of areas. Hopefully this can expand to how you were treated by the police, the sources of income of scientists releasing papers about how sugar is great for kids and so on. You get the point.

Getting reliable news is obviously one of the big hard problems, as we have seen in last years and as in the example you mentioned. I guess it's another discussion (but relevant to oppressive regimes).

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Post by stale2002 »

simplify wrote: post #61
integricho wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be an optimist, but I still have hopes that humanity might free itself with from the grunt work with full robotic automation and AI, and switch to a universal basic income model to provide for the needs of the people.

Realistically, who else but the "one percent" will own all the robotic automation and AI?

Imagine if the world becomes so rich, that even the table scraps are enough to make everyone's lives amazing.

The average poor person today has access to way more resources and quality of life than most of society in the 1600s. Why wouldn't this trend continue?

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by blurbleblurble »

Waterluvian wrote: post #59
mseebach wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article's tacit acknowledgment of the legitimacy of arresting people for having had the app installed at all is pretty off-colour as well.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but I often see reporting attempt to speak about something in the context from which it originates. An opinion piece can come later about how unbelievable it is that they do this to begin with.

Erdogan is an incredibly dangerous leader. Did you see recently how he had his secret service openly and brazenly beating up peaceful protestors at events in Washington DC?

And he recently got the Turkish constitution changed in his favor, openly citing Adolf Hitler's Germany as an example of an effective presidential government.

I recommend doing some reading to understand the situation in Turkey

Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it

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Post by smnscu »

candiodari wrote: post #97
Waterluvian wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but I often see reporting attempt to speak about something in the context from which it originates. An opinion piece can come later about how unbelievable it is that they do this to begin with.

Many things about Turkey are incredulous. Turkey used to be a bastion of secularism, in fact the only bastion of secularism among muslims (and it still is, at least in terms of mindshare). And yet turkey now has a president ... that obviously gained the better part of his power through a false-flag attack (the "coup d'etat" that "somehow" managed to fail to capture even a single government official or building). And…

I love how Americans immediately forgot the time when Erdogan's goons beat the shit out of their own people with the tacit and satisfied approval of the orange shitstain.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/22/erdogans-goons-beat-up-som...

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Post by makmanalp »

danso wrote: post #89
mbrumlow wrote: post #72

This seems to be a growing trend, mostly in journalism; Blame technology. Just recently there was a article going around about how Google's search algorithm was at fault of keeping two sisters apart. And entire multi page write up on how our lives are at the whims of computers and algorithms. Then to be told that the one sister could not find the other because she changes her name online to protect her identity. Now…

While the government policy is ultimately what causes people to be jailed, you don’t think it’s important to focus on how technology uniquely exacerbates the problem by making it scalable? This is one of the few tech headlines that mention number of LOC that is basically and technically accurate. It does seem that a single — and trivial — line of code has led to the tragicomical punishment of thousands of innocent ci…

> the targeted group used a very simple hack to frustrate the government’s idiotic tactics

It's just a tracking pixel - what gives me pause here is that the government either doesn't know or doesn't care that "any IPs that every talked to our list of bad IPs" is a really inaccurate way to conclude that people are criminals - this should be obvious to anyone who claims knowledge in digital forensics. So the story is that "technology" can be used to magically create evidence against someone, as long as the court is ignorant about the quality of the evidence. This is very scary.

The fact that this is even being presented as a "trap" seems sketchy to me, and seems like an after the fact excuse. Of course we should catch bad people, but not at the expense of due process.

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Post by pas »

madaxe_again wrote: post #78
integricho wrote: post #5

I find it very frustrating to read about such oppressive regimes. It fills me with anger, I cannot help myself, I just hate injustice.

The thing that makes my head hurt is that some of the people described in the article as having been swept up in this dragnet are still authoritarian nationalists . How having an experience such as this can’t shake your belief that the state is infallible I really can’t comprehend. It’s almost like Stockholm syndrome.

https://slavischestudies.wordpress.com/2015/10/18/gulags-and...
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