What a horrible country.
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Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it
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#132Article has factual errors: Number of people who was detained due to coup attempt is around 55K, this is latest number I heard 2 weeks ago. It was never 150K, but around 80K.
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#133>nearly 150,000 Turks detained
>An estimated 30,000 are believed to be among the innocent swept up in this particular campaign
I'd say an estimated 150,000 or so are innocent of anything that would be a crime in any normal country. I note Turkey is not getting anywhere with getting Gullen himself extradited because it would require showing evidence to a US court that he'd done something beyond being a political opponent of Erdogan.
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#134This seems to be a growing trend, mostly in journalism; Blame technology. Just recently there was a article going around about how Google's search algorithm was at fault of keeping two sisters apart. And entire multi page write up on how our lives are at the whims of computers and algorithms. Then to be told that the one sister could not find the other because she changes her name online to protect her identity. Now…
Not to reply to your point, but I found an interesting discussion when reading up on your use of the idiom "for the worst": https://writingexplained.org/worse-or-worst-difference
Well, 'to sway (something) for the worst' is an idiom I've never heard, I get what they mean but I don't think it's grammatical, 'for the worse' would sound slightly better but still not good.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Guns don't kill people, people do" "Code doesn't cause people to be arrested, people do" True in both cases, but also true in both cases that guns/code are used as enablers of the evil deeds.
Firearms are designed to kill or disable another party. Software has no use case besides what a developer gives it. That's a pretty significant difference in design!
OMG I can't believe you're downvoted for saying that, more than the person you were responding to! Americans you are nuts. Last political-related comment I ever make on here, if I can help it. Sick of seeing and getting downvotes for stating the bleeding obvious.
Re: Thousands of Turks accused of using Bylock app despite never having used it
#136This seems to be a growing trend, mostly in journalism; Blame technology. Just recently there was a article going around about how Google's search algorithm was at fault of keeping two sisters apart. And entire multi page write up on how our lives are at the whims of computers and algorithms. Then to be told that the one sister could not find the other because she changes her name online to protect her identity. Now…
> In the end it is people who are to blame "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." -- Frank Herbert, 1965
Don't give yourselves to brutes, men who despise you, enslave you; who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to think and what to feel! Who drill you, diet you, treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines, you are not cattle, you are men!
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#137I find it very frustrating to read about such oppressive regimes. It fills me with anger, I cannot help myself, I just hate injustice.
The thing that makes my head hurt is that some of the people described in the article as having been swept up in this dragnet are still authoritarian nationalists . How having an experience such as this can’t shake your belief that the state is infallible I really can’t comprehend. It’s almost like Stockholm syndrome.
What do you expect these people to tell a newspaper when asked about what they “did?” Of course they’re going to declare their enduring love and support for their wonderful leader. Saying anything else would result in a prison sentence.
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#138This reminds me of some Bittorrent trackers which added random IP addresses to their peer list, so companies which accused people of downloading movies based only on the list returned from the tracker would make false accusations: https://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-tricks-anti-pirates-...
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
>To call it 'worst' is a value judgment and not an objective statement Why does that matter here? The very laws which a large % of them broke (drug laws) are not based on objective statements.
>The very laws which a large % of them broke (drug laws) Common misconception, but that's not actually the case - best numbers show about 15% of prisoners are in with drug charges. [1] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/releasing-drug-offender...
>best numbers show about 15% of prisoners are in with drug charges.
That's incorrect. The source says ~16% had, as their most serious offence, a drug charge.
So in reality more than 16% are serving time for drug crimes. It seems a bit disingenuous that the statistic is posed like that, especially when considering the cyclical nature of incarceration,"3 strikes" laws, and the cascading violence caused by drug laws.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In the end it is people who are to blame "Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." -- Frank Herbert, 1965
Don't give yourselves to brutes, men who despise you, enslave you; who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to think and what to feel! Who drill you, diet you, treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fodder. Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men - machine men with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines, you are not cattle, you are men! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JokBoS7FQAA
> Cannot you see, cannot all you lecturers see, that it is we that are dying, and that down here the only thing that really lives is the Machine? We created the Machine, to do our will, but we cannot make it do our will now. It has robbed us of the sense of space and of the sense of touch, it has blurred every human relation and narrowed down love to a carnal act, it has paralysed our bodies and our wills, and now it compels us to worship it. The Machine develops - but not on our lies. The Machine proceeds - but not to our goal. We only exist as the blood corpuscles that course through its arteries, and if it could work without us, it would let us die."
E.M.Forster, The Machine Stops. 1909