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Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

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Re: Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

#11
I'm currently on my second startup-- I cashed out of my first a couple years ago.

At the time I was starting my first, my eldest daughter, then 2 years old, was diagnosed with leukemia, and between that time and cashing out, my wife and I had three more children, and she lost her father to cancer.

My point is: life happens, often while you're busy making other plans.

Other people here have brought up the "late hours" issue. Obviously, you and your spouse ought to both be comfortable about the kind of hours you keep.

But another issue-- more important, in my book-- is how you and your spouse relate to risk. Startups are, by their nature, perceived as being riskier than a stable, nine-to-five job. (Whether they actually are or not is immaterial-- it's the perception that's relevant here.)

When I got started, it became clear to me that I had a much higher tolerance for financial risk than my wife. This was not a problem, as I was able to make it clear to her that if there was ever a problem providing security for the family, I'd give up the startup and get a "real job".

By the way: based on your "possibly one with kids, ugh" comment, I'd suggest you make sure that you and your spouse are on the same page as more fundamental things as well. If you view the possibility of children as warranting an "ugh", you should be working to remove that possibility, for the sake of the eventual kids, if nothing else.

Re: Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

#12
As others have pointed out this is more about the person you marry than the act of marriage. But realistically if they like to cuddle on the sofa and watch 10 episodes of Ugly Betty with you and you want to code, you'll probably work that out a long time before you go as far getting married.

What does make a massive difference is kids. And more precisely sleep deprivation, especially in the early stages. Coding until 2am, going to bed and 5 minutes later a little person is crying and you are up again etc is hard. Also when you are just a couple your SO might not mind you rolling out of bed at 10am, but most aren't going to be too happy about having to get up at 7am 7 mornings a week to look after the kids whilst you are snoring quietly. And even if you do get away with that, don't discount the amount of noise etc that at least stops you from getting a great sleep. Some people get lucky, some people think they "trained" their kids, but for most people the first few years are tired years.

And as they get older your unsociable hours don't really work either. Most kids operate from around 7 to 7/8. They wake up in the morning they want to jump on your bed. They want you to tuck them in. You'll love it too - but family life is hard to balance with the typical lifestyle the average hacker on here probably lives.

Please note it is not all bad, I work from home in an office in my garden and see my kids for hours every day - something most people don't get. You probably also have more flexibility to go to sports days, plays etc. But never underestimate the tiredness in those first few years!

Re: Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

#13
post #9

"Startups take over your life" is a social construct. It happens because we expect it to happen, because we model it as "success", because we demand it from ourselves, and because we look at anyone who it isn't happening to as a failure. My business is, in many ways (such as measuring by hours), the easiest job I've ever had.

Agreed. You maybe work a bit more hours (but honestly, if you want to compete at a 9-5 you are really working more like 8-7pm anyways.), but the hours happen when and where you want them to happen, which can maximize time with loved ones.

Case in point, sometimes my girlfriend works at my office. How is that possible at a normal job? Or taking a week off just to go work at your parents cabin? That kind of out-of-office working is just not possible or a great idea in the normal work force.

One thing I will say: Doing a startup by yourself would be almost impossible with a serious relationship. You need at least one partner to watch your back when you can't be on duty (which happens twice as often in a serious relationship, I've found).

Re: Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

#14
I'm married (9 years) and have 2 kids (throw in house mortgage as well.) I've been working on start ups for the last 3 years. I left a very good, high paying, stable job to work with startups. The first key thing is getting your wife on board. There is a lot more risk and stress with startups. Make sure both of you understand this issue. Money is already a big stress on marriages and you are about to make that situation worse in the short term. The other big issue (at least in the states) is health insurance. It costs a lot more that I would like.

The startup I work at is a great fit. We are boot strapped and profitable. We are not trying to be the next google/twitter/facebook, so slow growth fits our lifestyle fine. There have been lean times over the last year which adds financial stress, but I have fall back plan of getting a real job at any time which provides a nice safety net. It pays to have a good network to leverage when you need it. I work from home, so that allows me to work mostly normal hours and still get to see my wife and kids a lot. I carve out a few evenings to put in extra hours. I also carve out date nights with my wife.

So I don't see any issue with being a startup and being married. There is never the perfect time to start a startup. The best time is now.

Re: Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

#15
My strong suggestion: do the startup before getting married, but while you live with your potential future spouse under marriage-like conditions.

My personal experience: I had a live-in gf (and possible future spouse), and I spent about a year in startup crunch mode on an academic research project (which I hoped to leverage into a future startup). It put a major strain on our relationship - she worked outside the home, I worked primarily at home, and she didn't get the concept of "physically at home but working and unavailable." We are no longer together, in part because of this.

Your SO may be incompatible with your startup - it's far better to discover things like this before getting married. You may choose the SO over the startup, but you should be aware you are making that choice.

Worst case scenario: an ex-wife who acted as a burden throughout the startup process walks away with 50% of your successful company.

(Note: a prenup won't help much - courts are in the habit of nullifying them if the judge doesn't like them. Witness the whole Elon Musk fiasco.)

Re: Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

#16
post #9

"Startups take over your life" is a social construct. It happens because we expect it to happen, because we model it as "success", because we demand it from ourselves, and because we look at anyone who it isn't happening to as a failure. My business is, in many ways (such as measuring by hours), the easiest job I've ever had.

Is it fair to compare your last job as a Japanese salaryman, in terms of number of hours worked, to the average programming job? Aren't the hours really long for Japanese salarymen?

Re: Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

#17
Any married women founders or anyone whose wife is doing a startup ? Would be good to get tips from you.

I multitask fairly well but have always feared juggling married life with a startup. I am getting married this october. My fiancee is supportive, an engineer & workaholic himself and to an extent understands startup. I have known him for many years and he stood by me even before when I almost went bankrupt being part of a startup. I think his support and the possibility that I could discuss things from work (which I can't do with my parents/siblings) gives a good feeling.

Only concern is I feel he doesn't "yet" get the stress part and the variable low morale issue at times. It is very weird to him if I say that I am feeling low today and by evening if I am excited that we got 20 more hits on the site.

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Re: Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

#18
Holy Crap, You and I are the same person. I am 28 and got married 12 months ago. My marriage is still strong even with all the odds against us: 1st year living together, 3 year old, my wife moved to a new city, started a new job, started two startups (1 already failed not because of the marriage). It all depends on the people, if your wife/girlfriend/finance thinks that the work you are doing is a waste of time then it will greatly impact your relationship BUT as in my case my wife is a staunch supporter of my ambition to make something great, she pushes me to work harder and SMARTER not wasting time on irrelevant stuff. She has no technical experience or knowledge and is not interested in it, she is only interested in seeing me succeed which makes her a great sounding board when i have difficulties.

I think the key in our relationship is that each night around 11 we stop whatever we are doing and just spend the rest of the night with each other, talking about our days what was good and bad then we watch some tv and relax. Another important thing for us is to eat dinner together, especially since we have a daughter instilling family values is the most important thing to do as parents.

I think if you put your family first, then your partner will support you in your startups because they know that when you have time you will spend it togeather.

Re: Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

#19
One problem to consider if you are working on your startup from home is the danger of constant interruptions. It can be hard on your family, especially your wife, to "not be allowed" to interrupt you. You have to remember that your family interrupts you because they care about you and they want you involved in their lives, but at the same time you have to find a way to tactfully get them to stay away from your office during your workday.

Sitting almost perfectly still in front of a computer and concentrating for hours and hours at a stretch is not a natural act. Humans are wired to get involved with the social activities going on around them. Depending on the difficulty of what you are working on, a few family interruptions per day or a too-high noise level from elsewhere in the house can destroy the quality of your work for the entire day.

Interruptions are also a big problem in a traditional office environment, but there you have much less invested in your efficiency. If management isn't willing to pay for private offices where the staff can concentrate properly -- then they get what they pay for and its not really the programmer's job to question it. At least everybody in a shared office area is in the same boat and everybody suffers from the same distractions.

In a startup, however, interruptions can ruin you and must be dealt with.

Re: Ask HN: How does marriage affect the creation of a (successful) startup?

#20
The cool things about starting a startup is that you make the rules. I know most people think they need to take the "work-12-hours-a-day-approach" when they start a startup, but that's not mandatory. Not sure who came up with that one.

When you're starting your startup, you should think about what kind of time, energy, etc you want to put into it. I really enjoy what I do, but I also realized working all the time gets in the way of other things I want to do (i.e. spending lots time with people). When I started my business, one of the rules was to work only in the morning, and because I had this mindset from the beginning, everything has worked out great. Sure, sometimes I'll work a little more, and sure, I really enjoy what I do, but if spending time with your wife/husband is really important to you, you can dictate that as long as you do it early.

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