Dvxk: A Vulkan-Based D3D11 Implementation for Linux with Wine

Post by pjmlp » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 5:38 AM UTC

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Win32 is going the way of Carbon even if it takes a couple of years more, like it or not. Desktop bridge is just a migration tool to migrate Win32 into the store, and help developers slowly migrate parts of the apps into UWP ones. The majority of new APIs are UWP only, with userspace drivers, DirectX 12, ReFS being the notable exceptions. Of course you can always switch to GNU/Linux for Vulkan games.

> Win32 is going the way of Carbon even if it takes a couple of years more, like it or not. That's the thing, nobody likes it. They've been pushing "modern apps"[1] since 2012 and nobody notable is writing them. As Surface RT showed in the market, when forced to make the choice people will just abandon the product rather than put up with that mediocrity. [1] Orwellian calling it "modern" just in the name, as if that…

Post by fyfy18 » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 5:59 AM UTC

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Currently the JIT only works for x86-32, not x86-64.

That’s true, but quite a lot of modern desktop software still comes with 32-bit binaries. Even Microsoft’s own software: visual studio and skype are still 32 bit, office has both versions…

Post by pjmlp » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 7:05 AM UTC

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Lots of Windows devs like having a safer, modern OO ABI instead of a clunky C API stuck in the 90's. If Microsoft behaved like Apple and Google, people would have no option other than just use it. After all, in spite of all hate for Windows XP, Vista or 7, there was hardly any year of GNU/Linux desktop. By the way, the new Office will be store only on Windows 10.

The new stuff is all COM and you are telling me it's not stuck in the 90s? Many people prefer software that works. My experience with the newer APIs is that they are on average less reliable, more quirky, less thought through and battle tested. I think the larger problem is that the current staff cannot produce works with the same quality of the Microsoft of 10 or 20 years ago. So of course they cannot compete with t…

Post by littlestymaar » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 9:44 AM UTC

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Win32 is going the way of Carbon even if it takes a couple of years more, like it or not. Desktop bridge is just a migration tool to migrate Win32 into the store, and help developers slowly migrate parts of the apps into UWP ones. The majority of new APIs are UWP only, with userspace drivers, DirectX 12, ReFS being the notable exceptions. Of course you can always switch to GNU/Linux for Vulkan games.

The question is whether Windows will die sooner than UWP will be fixed to become an acceptable replacement for Win32. The main reason why Windows is still relevant (even despite Microsoft's desperate attempts to kill it) is Steam games and some legacy software that hasn't been ported to Electron yet. Forcing new apps to use UWP in its current broken state can only accelerate the death of desktop Windows.

Post by MaxBarraclough » Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 10:24 AM UTC

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Fortunately, most of us aren't interested in UWP bloat and just want to build good old desktop applications.

Win32 is going the way of Carbon even if it takes a couple of years more, like it or not. Desktop bridge is just a migration tool to migrate Win32 into the store, and help developers slowly migrate parts of the apps into UWP ones. The majority of new APIs are UWP only, with userspace drivers, DirectX 12, ReFS being the notable exceptions. Of course you can always switch to GNU/Linux for Vulkan games.