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Surfers three times more likely to have antibiotic-resistant bacteria in guts

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Re: Surfers three times more likely to have antibiotic-resistant bacteria in guts

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Post by DoreenMichele »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #40
DoreenMichele wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That said, the healthy effects of the exercising on the sea must counteract the bacteria That was my initial thought as well, basically. Cystic fibrosis is a deadly genetic disorder that makes one vulnerable to infection. Last I checked, the life expectancy was about 37 in the US, though someone on HN recently said it is now age 40. People with CF who surfed had such a better prognosis than average that it led to dev…

>But everyone tells me that's anecdotal Most people have NO idea/sympathy for what its really like to have a disease/condition that medicine doesn't totally understand yet.. including doctors. The bar for a certain treatment to be scientifically accepted is rightly pretty high - studies/research etc. that takes decades to do. But as a patient, when medicine has no real treatments to offer you, of course our own bar s…

I appreciate the vote of support and sympathy, but I will note that I was just trying to agree with someone else's thought that surfing must do things that are generally beneficial. I think the established fact that it is known to improve the prognosis of people with CF, who are particularly prone to developing antibiotic resistant infections, is pretty strong evidence that this thought has merit.

As is often the case, the point I was trying to make has been completely ignored while multiple people jump on the personal angle of whether or not I actually know something medically useful and most comments are coming from an assumption of no, she can't possibly know anything medically useful, she is merely crazy. This is always a personally frustrating experience for me.

I'm human. I slept 14 hours last night and I am still tired and it is aggravating that the entire world wants me to either scientifically prove my personal opinions about my firsthand experience or be condemned to never, ever mention them at all. Sheesh.

So it might be time for me to just step away from this derail of a discussion because a. It is off topic and b. Most of it is openly and unnecessarily hostile and dismissive.

I'm not trying to prove anything here. I'm just human and don't always know how to separate my firsthand experience of life from some point I am trying to make and for whatever reason the world at large is often excessively interested in talking about that personal piece, whether the topic is my health or something else. And it is frequently a very negative experience for me.

TLDR: Thanks, but that wasn't the point and if I step away from this discussion it is not an admission that other people are right and I am wrong. It is just evidence that this discussion is off topic, not a positive experience for me and I don't feel like continuing it.

Re: Surfers three times more likely to have antibiotic-resistant bacteria in guts

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Post by ako »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #40
DoreenMichele wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That said, the healthy effects of the exercising on the sea must counteract the bacteria That was my initial thought as well, basically. Cystic fibrosis is a deadly genetic disorder that makes one vulnerable to infection. Last I checked, the life expectancy was about 37 in the US, though someone on HN recently said it is now age 40. People with CF who surfed had such a better prognosis than average that it led to dev…

>But everyone tells me that's anecdotal Most people have NO idea/sympathy for what its really like to have a disease/condition that medicine doesn't totally understand yet.. including doctors. The bar for a certain treatment to be scientifically accepted is rightly pretty high - studies/research etc. that takes decades to do. But as a patient, when medicine has no real treatments to offer you, of course our own bar s…

I would not just assume that sea salt has zero downside: http://www.pbl.nl/sites/default/files/cms/publicaties/650010...

"In the Netherlands a considerable part of PM10 is of natural origin. On a yearly average basis we have quite a large contribution of sea salt: 4 - 7 μg/m3. ... It would be wrong to conclude that this natural contribution does not have any associat- ed health effects. "

Re: Surfers three times more likely to have antibiotic-resistant bacteria in guts

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Post by jasonkester »

Totally worth it.

Just your periodic reminder that Surfing is one of the most fun things that a person can do on this planet, as evidenced by the fact that so many people have essentially dropped out of society and dedicated their lives to doing it every day.

If you live in a place near the water such as, say, the San Francisco Bay Area, and you have never tried surfing, you owe it to yourself to head down to Santa Cruz this weekend and give it a try.

Minor warning, though, you'll likely end up wearing your own personal groove into that highway over the next several years as you find excuses to sneak in a quick one every single morning once you get hooked.

Re: Surfers three times more likely to have antibiotic-resistant bacteria in guts

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Post by bufferoverflow »

computator wrote: post #18
clueless123 wrote: post #7

Unfortunately, I do not need to see a study to know that the waters near Lima (Where I live & surf) are full of crap.. That said, the healthy effects of the exercising on the sea must counteract the bacteria, because I don't know a healthier group than the surfing community around here.

> The healthy effects of the exercising on the sea must counteract the bacteria, because I don't know a healthier group than the surfing community around here. You're making a conclusion about cause and effect. It might be the case that the majority of people who take up surfing are extremely healthy since it's a physically demanding sport.

It's not that physically demanding. I've seen 3-4 year olds in Hawaii do it. Like in any sport, it depends on how far you want to push yourself.

Re: Surfers three times more likely to have antibiotic-resistant bacteria in guts

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Post by malikNF »

jasonkester wrote: post #44

Totally worth it. Just your periodic reminder that Surfing is one of the most fun things that a person can do on this planet, as evidenced by the fact that so many people have essentially dropped out of society and dedicated their lives to doing it every day. If you live in a place near the water such as, say, the San Francisco Bay Area, and you have never tried surfing, you owe it to yourself to head down to Santa C…

>>as evidenced by the fact that so many people have essentially dropped out of society and dedicated their lives to doing it every day.

Sorry what? I hear people who do hard drugs that ruin their lives do the same thing. You know, drop out of society and dedicate their entire life doing it.

Re: Surfers three times more likely to have antibiotic-resistant bacteria in guts

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Post by Lewton »

malikNF wrote: post #46
jasonkester wrote: post #44

Totally worth it. Just your periodic reminder that Surfing is one of the most fun things that a person can do on this planet, as evidenced by the fact that so many people have essentially dropped out of society and dedicated their lives to doing it every day. If you live in a place near the water such as, say, the San Francisco Bay Area, and you have never tried surfing, you owe it to yourself to head down to Santa C…

>>as evidenced by the fact that so many people have essentially dropped out of society and dedicated their lives to doing it every day. Sorry what? I hear people who do hard drugs that ruin their lives do the same thing. You know, drop out of society and dedicate their entire life doing it.

Drugs are also some of the most fun things that a person can do on this planet

Re: Surfers three times more likely to have antibiotic-resistant bacteria in guts

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Post by Scea91 »

jasonkester wrote: post #44

Totally worth it. Just your periodic reminder that Surfing is one of the most fun things that a person can do on this planet, as evidenced by the fact that so many people have essentially dropped out of society and dedicated their lives to doing it every day. If you live in a place near the water such as, say, the San Francisco Bay Area, and you have never tried surfing, you owe it to yourself to head down to Santa C…

Tried surfing last summer when I was at Bali. It was one of the best experiences of my life. In the next few days I also started scuba diving which I like even more.

It's a shame I currently live in a landlocked country.

Re: Surfers three times more likely to have antibiotic-resistant bacteria in guts

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Post by jasonkester »

malikNF wrote: post #46
jasonkester wrote: post #44

Totally worth it. Just your periodic reminder that Surfing is one of the most fun things that a person can do on this planet, as evidenced by the fact that so many people have essentially dropped out of society and dedicated their lives to doing it every day. If you live in a place near the water such as, say, the San Francisco Bay Area, and you have never tried surfing, you owe it to yourself to head down to Santa C…

>>as evidenced by the fact that so many people have essentially dropped out of society and dedicated their lives to doing it every day. Sorry what? I hear people who do hard drugs that ruin their lives do the same thing. You know, drop out of society and dedicate their entire life doing it.

Remember that terrible career advice they used to give saying "do what you love"?

Well, I always interpreted that as "arrange your life so that you can do what you love as often as possible", so I program computers for a living. It has the perfect combination of paying you four times as much as anything else for each hour you put in, and letting you hop from short term gig to short term gig. That gives you lots of free time that you can spend doing what you love.

Including, for instance, dedicating your life to climbing rocks and surfing.

I'm sure you could also dedicate your life to sitting in your mom's basement or on the beach in Belize smoking weed, for much less. But that's not what we're discussing here.

The reason I mentioned Surfing above is that, until you try it, you might not realize that you want to re-structure your lifestyle to prioritize it over, say, contriving to lease the flashiest car your bank will give you credit for. Most people are doing that second thing most of the time. And lots of them could benefit from a bit of real fun in their lives.

Re: Surfers three times more likely to have antibiotic-resistant bacteria in guts

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Post by teekert »

usaphp wrote: post #20
clueless123 wrote: post #7

Unfortunately, I do not need to see a study to know that the waters near Lima (Where I live & surf) are full of crap.. That said, the healthy effects of the exercising on the sea must counteract the bacteria, because I don't know a healthier group than the surfing community around here.

> because I don't know a healthier group than the surfing community around here Most of the serfers I know are just generally active people, they were like it long before becoming serfers, most did not become healthy because they are serfers, instead they become serfers because they like active healthy lifestyle.

https://www.powerthesaurus.org/serfers ?
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