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Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”

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Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel transformed from a technology company to a management company. That somewhat explains their highly unreasonable behavior.

Management can seriously make or break a company in various ways. It sucks... :/

Could not agree more, unfortunately I’ve seen the latter more often than the former. When you find good management it is truly inspiring however.

Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”

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In case it’s unclear to anyone, David Woodhouse (the person Linus is replying to / previous poster) works for Amazon and previously Intel[1] aka @dwmw2 on Twitter, ironically his twitter profile is: “Kernel hacker. Known to occasionally promote an attitude of violence towards complete morons.” *[1] Correction, I thought (as does Google) that he still worked at Intel, but it was pointed out that he now works at Amazon…

Thanks for this, the beginning where he quotes himself threw me off.

No worries at all, mailing lists are a PITA to navigate at the best of times.

Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”

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I think we should count ourselves lucky we have someone so good at spotting bullsh*t like this - and isn’t afraid to call it out as they sees it. Intel & friends have absolutely disgusted me lately, it could be all to easy to settle for less based on their standards, but let’s not let them set the standard - they’ve shown they can’t be trusted with quality and when they fail - they can’t be trusted to be transparent…

Not only spot, but also invests the energy in calling it out and explaining it.

Many business failures i've witnessed happened ultimately because nobody had the energy to cut down the bullshit forest that constantly regrows around a company.

Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”

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post #19

In case it’s unclear to anyone, David Woodhouse (the person Linus is replying to / previous poster) works for Amazon and previously Intel[1] aka @dwmw2 on Twitter, ironically his twitter profile is: “Kernel hacker. Known to occasionally promote an attitude of violence towards complete morons.” *[1] Correction, I thought (as does Google) that he still worked at Intel, but it was pointed out that he now works at Amazon…

This isn't the case, he works for Amazon. Unless he also works for Intel but that seems unlikely.

Edit: Just to make this clearer you can see his email in the Signed-off-by of the patch under discussion: https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/20/163

Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”

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In case it’s unclear to anyone, David Woodhouse (the person Linus is replying to / previous poster) works for Amazon and previously Intel[1] aka @dwmw2 on Twitter, ironically his twitter profile is: “Kernel hacker. Known to occasionally promote an attitude of violence towards complete morons.” *[1] Correction, I thought (as does Google) that he still worked at Intel, but it was pointed out that he now works at Amazon…

This isn't the case, he works for Amazon. Unless he also works for Intel but that seems unlikely. Edit: Just to make this clearer you can see his email in the Signed-off-by of the patch under discussion: https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/1/20/163

Thanks for pointing that out - I was under the impression he still worked for intel, before commenting I checked and all the top Google results suggested as much, I’ve corrected my comment.

Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”

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Why doesn't Intel just go to Linus and ask politely: "Ok, we f-ed up, here is a million dollars (or whatever, 10x his normal salary or something) can you please work with us tightly for some time? Thank you."

I would really respect Intel if they would.

Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”

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The most striking thing here is that Linus has apparently dismissed incompetence as a rational explanation. Yes, he is often brash, but usually he is accusing someone of sheer stupidity. He does not do that here. Linus alleges that we are being lied to - that we don’t know the full story, nor Intel’s motives.

Furthermore, we are left to wonder if Microsoft is also being fed “bullshit” patches, and if they may be less discerning than Linus regarding a proper solution.

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