Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”
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Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”
#2So are we going to unmerge this, and force Intel to fix this properly in microcode?
Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”
#3So, it means more delays in upstream patches.
Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”
#4I must say that I'm really happy that Linux is taking a stance on this one. He doesn't care what the legal consequences to Intel are, he is pushing for a proper technical solution damned be the consequences.
Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”
#5Run through the Linus drama filter, the only thing I get from this is "Linus doesn't like the Meltdown/Spectre patches'; Linus having issues with a patch is, well, not particularly newsworthy. Is there something more significant here than a bad first go at this?
Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”
#6FWIW, at least a small part of that email is due to a confusion between Intel acronyms: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1801.2/04637.html
Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”
#7Run through the Linus drama filter, the only thing I get from this is "Linus doesn't like the Meltdown/Spectre patches'; Linus having issues with a patch is, well, not particularly newsworthy. Is there something more significant here than a bad first go at this?
Thats a pretty superior attitude you're taking regarding a disagreement about which you admit you understand nothing
Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”
#8I think we should count ourselves lucky we have someone so good at spotting bullsh*t like this - and isn’t afraid to call it out as they sees it.
Intel & friends have absolutely disgusted me lately, it could be all to easy to settle for less based on their standards, but let’s not let them set the standard - they’ve shown they can’t be trusted with quality and when they fail - they can’t be trusted to be transparent or even take ownership of the problems they create.
Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”
#9Run through the Linus drama filter, the only thing I get from this is "Linus doesn't like the Meltdown/Spectre patches'; Linus having issues with a patch is, well, not particularly newsworthy. Is there something more significant here than a bad first go at this?
> See the difference between IBRS_ALL and RDCL_NO. One implies Intel will fix something. The other does not.
I think that's a pretty interesting claim on his part. I can't weigh in too much on the evidence to support this claim, but it's certainly more than just a rant it seems.
Re: Linus Torvalds: “Somebody is pushing complete garbage for unclear reasons.”
#10Run through the Linus drama filter, the only thing I get from this is "Linus doesn't like the Meltdown/Spectre patches'; Linus having issues with a patch is, well, not particularly newsworthy. Is there something more significant here than a bad first go at this?
I interpreted it as: Intel isn't going to fix Specter in HW (as opposed to Meltdown)
Instead, they do some crazy crazy black magic in the patches.