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Re: Guide to JavaScript Frameworks

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domvm is the most underrated in this list. one of the fastest and smallest out there that's dependency free. https://github.com/leeoniya/domvm

I concur! I've been going knee deep in experimenting with this over the weekend. I like the ala carte approach if that's the right way to describe it.

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I come from a pure HTML + CSS + JS (mostly via jQuery) background. My career has headed in a direction that focusses a lot less in the frontend web, but every 2 months or so I read one of these guides and I get giddy - "Finally, I will teach myself angular/vue/react/backbone/knockout". After about 10 minutes I am filled with dread. I expect to learn about a specific piece of software, instead, I am greeted with requi…

That's how I feel configuring networking and load balancers and other backend stuff. I know its essential but for some reason front end and all its quirks makes more sense to me

Eeeh, configuring load balancers and networking are not backend tasks.......

I mean yeah, that's done on the backend as well, but that's generally not what people mean with that term.

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I come from a pure HTML + CSS + JS (mostly via jQuery) background. My career has headed in a direction that focusses a lot less in the frontend web, but every 2 months or so I read one of these guides and I get giddy - "Finally, I will teach myself angular/vue/react/backbone/knockout". After about 10 minutes I am filled with dread. I expect to learn about a specific piece of software, instead, I am greeted with requi…

Same. Recently I had to do some web work and it is so daunting. Any tutorial for a given technology asks you to use a bunch of other tooling dependency that you don't understand. It's just mixed up dependencies everywhere even for little example projects.

Something like create-react-app that is supposed to help you learn react. Set it up and just look at node_modules. Just a shit ton of dependencies and you have no idea what any of them do. All this sort of scaffolding set up that you're supposed to ignore.

I just can't learn that way.

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Reasons why Vue will rock your socks off - Don't need to know jsx! - Sane way of scripting puts the script in an object and each component is html javascript css - Event buses allow sharing of variables between child components without either redux or pushing variables down one child at a time (finally!) - v-for looping is saner than reacts mapping - v-if allows v-if statements without renderIf component or multiple…

I've used Vue for larger project and like it but the things you list are the drawbacks IMO: - Don't need to know jsx! But you need to learn Vue's template DSL. JSX is just HTML and JavaScript. - v-for looping is saner than reacts mapping - v-if allows v-if statements without renderIf component or multiple render statements in react (antipatterns boo!). Strongly disagree! - two way data binding with vue-model I sugges…

JSX is NOT just HTML and JavaScript! If it was just html I could write and not , I could write instead of . It's not even just javascript, or I would be able to write a simple if-else statement. JSX is a DSL, a minimal one, but still. I mean, you could say it's even worse, because those subtle differences can cost you hours of looking for mistakes.

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Considering there is easily (in US) 60-80K+/year difference between doing HTML + CSS + JS (mostly via jQuery) and say React. Spending 1 month to learn webpack + React looks like fairly sound investment of time.

Seeing you get downvoted, I don't get it. Why would professionals not want to spend a week to learn something which you can build knowledge on for the next few decades, especially when it has monetary value? There's an aggressive/paradoxical luddism in tech that I'll never understand, considering that it is the tech industry. How many great tools/frameworks have come out over the past decade and how limited would you…

Few survived a decade though... I doubt that changed with the current generation. Not saying it's not with the effort to learn. Just had to smile about your time reference

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I'm not a web dev (I'm backend/HW communications). But I dabble. For me, it's not that I don't understand all of this (it's all relatively simple). I just don't want to do so much just to get something on the screen.

But that shows some kind of misunderstanding, because you can literally build single page applications in 50 lines of code and a JS include in an html file. None of this stuff is that much work. People are really overestimating how hard it is, and you realize it once you try it. It's just people aren't familiar. https://mithril.js.org/simple-application.html Here's another app in another framework. Hard to get easier…

No, no misunderstanding. I was being snarky and referring mostly to the laundry list of items that most FE devs have running or install just to start building a FE. To me that seems ridiculous and shows me that FE devs have either not paid attention to the bloatedness that is Enterprise style development or have and walked away with all the bad habits.

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It’s not a language, it’s a framework. You can take any experienced JS developer and make them proficient in either Ember or any framework mentioned in the article within days. People overexaggerate how difficult each framework is. They’re all front end frameworks made to do one job. Yes, each of them have their own nuances, but nothing that cannot be understood spending few days coding, reading docs and speaking wit…

Completely untrue. I was at Bocoup and we wanted to standardize on Ember. It took weeks to get devs doing the basics in a large app. Ember isn't gone because its misunderstood. Its gone because we can build the same apps using more suitable libs/frameworks, in a fraction of the time, with less code, less magic, and less upgrade burden. Ember sucked at upgrades, even though they tried to make it better.

Ember isn't gone or anything close to it.

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I come from a pure HTML + CSS + JS (mostly via jQuery) background. My career has headed in a direction that focusses a lot less in the frontend web, but every 2 months or so I read one of these guides and I get giddy - "Finally, I will teach myself angular/vue/react/backbone/knockout". After about 10 minutes I am filled with dread. I expect to learn about a specific piece of software, instead, I am greeted with requi…

Im learning all this stuff now after 30 in person and phone interviews and no offers. Ive been a Design coder (bootstrap, html5, css3, jQuery) since 2010 and never had an issue finding work before.

It's ok though because you got to keep up with the benjamins or become a useless dinosaur in this field.

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I come from a pure HTML + CSS + JS (mostly via jQuery) background. My career has headed in a direction that focusses a lot less in the frontend web, but every 2 months or so I read one of these guides and I get giddy - "Finally, I will teach myself angular/vue/react/backbone/knockout". After about 10 minutes I am filled with dread. I expect to learn about a specific piece of software, instead, I am greeted with requi…

I got so fully discouraged in web development that I'm now moving towards software engineering. Before, I was fully invested in being a web developer
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