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Why you can’t buy a high-end graphics card at Best Buy

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Re: Why you can’t buy a high-end graphics card at Best Buy

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A card used for mining will have worn out fans and potentially damage from heat on it. You'll have to hope for really cheap used cards to make up for that.

I'm running my GPU in mid 50s Celcius, with plenty of case cooling. (Lowered the power target etc.)

I think goda90 was referring to the second hand market.You may have taken good care of yours, but I suspect that miners won't have been as careful so buying these could be a bit of a crapshoot

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I'm legitimately worried about the long term future of my hobby (PC gaming) at this point. Prices like this have a cascade effect because when less people can afford to build a PC and/or upgrade there's less incentive for developers and publishers to spend time on the platform. Consoles are shielded by the ability of Sony and Microsoft to take losses which will be absorbed by online fees and higher game prices but no…

Why do people still think you need a high-end rig updated every year or two just to be a PC gamer? Almost every game I want to play runs satisfactorily on a five-year-old machine.

This is bad for the tech-obsessed top 10% of PC gamers. For the rest of us it's meaningless, and it's not going to last in any case.

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Gamers are complaining about why can't nVidia just ramp up their production. Having worked in a Fab and an assembly factory, there is a tremendous amount of coordination that needs to happen. Let's forget the business aspects for a moment - in order to ramp up production, it is not just building more lines. Silicon industry supply chains are mind bogglingly complex from oil-free-air supply hardware, etching chemicals…

> Gamers are complaining about why can't nVidia just ramp up their production. I don't see too much of that in gaming circles. It's understood that it would be risky as crypto will crash sooner than later. The anger in the PC community is almost exclusively directed at miners. Threads about it pop up on the daily, but what can we do? We could lobby NVIDIA/AMD to somehow implement restrictions on what the Gaming SKUs…

could lobby NVIDIA/AMD to somehow implement restrictions on what the Gaming SKUs

Infact the opposite has happened. NVidia has restricted consumer cards from DCs with an exception for blockchains! They are very much making hay while the sun shines

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Though there is some benefit to cryptocurrencies that rely on ASICs for mining: it means that someone with a significant amount of CPUs/GPUs under their control (such as botnet operators, or government groups like the NSA) can't waltz in and trivially 51% attack the blockchain with their existing general-purpose hardware, and then go back to using it for other things. An attacker would have to commit to buying/buildi…

ASICs are supposed to be orders of magnitude more efficient at their job than GPUs. So NSA can make a 0.01x the investment and "waltz in and trivially 51% attack the blockchain", all while not touching their existing equipment.

The only reason to invoke NSA in this context is for their ability to make a 10000x investment, with no concern for this being (directly) economically viable. The question then is, what will they do with control of the blockchain?

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Are there any non-VR games that even push the 1080ti? It seems like you'd need some giant 4k monitor to make it sweat. But also Steam doesn't seem to be releasing a ton of graphics-intensive games. It seems much more cost effective to get away with a lower price and less intensive art requirements and focus on gameplay. And less graphics puts you in a safer place as far as ports to consoles and tablets/mobile (e.g. S…

1080TI can take heavy hits at 2560x1080 even, Battlefield 1 max settings can see 90 FPS at times. 2560x1080 @ 200hz it can't even come close to consistently with high-end games and settings. PUBG? frames are meh. Even with an overclocked card it can be rough sometimes in my experience. Personally i'll be upgrading to the next card that trumps the 1080 ti and moving from 2560x1080 200hz (for all but CS, cs is 1280x960…

And here I set in front of 1680x1050 with an ATI Radeon HD 5770 playing Rocket League on Minecraft like graphics so the the splitscreen with a friend does not stutter noticeably. :D

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The shortage is not entirely because of miners. Nvidia manufacturers switched to using slower RAM in some of their cards. This was actually a very smart move (they should expand it to all their cards IMO). If you want the fast RAM, you have to buy the "mining" version of the cards. So in theory, it should have no impact on the gaming market. For some of the popular mining cards (e.g. RX 470/80), well they simply have…

AMD gambled on HBM2 and it paid off in ways they never expected. They were simply getting dominated by Nvidia and threw a hail mary pass on memory bandwidth and speed, knowing they couldn't compete on compute loads. Enter the CryptoNight and Dagger-Hashimoto algorithms, and well, the rest is recent history for the RX architecture, primarily the Vega line.

And yet the most efficient (hashrate/tdp) GPU for Etherum mining is GeForce 1070, not any of the Radeon models. Even Vega 64 couldn't beat it.

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In the long run, explosion in demand for GPUs will help lower prices and push the technical envelope for enveryone, including the gamers complaining in this article.

This is an oft-repeated article of faith, which I have yet to see realized despite years of sustained extra demand for GPUs.

I'm not saying doitLP is right, but "years" is not a long time for building extra production capacity across the manufacturing process. Hell, they probably need a couple years of sustained demand to even consider upgrading it.

Re: Why you can’t buy a high-end graphics card at Best Buy

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I'm legitimately worried about the long term future of my hobby (PC gaming) at this point. Prices like this have a cascade effect because when less people can afford to build a PC and/or upgrade there's less incentive for developers and publishers to spend time on the platform. Consoles are shielded by the ability of Sony and Microsoft to take losses which will be absorbed by online fees and higher game prices but no…

Why do people still think you need a high-end rig updated every year or two just to be a PC gamer? Almost every game I want to play runs satisfactorily on a five-year-old machine. This is bad for the tech-obsessed top 10% of PC gamers. For the rest of us it's meaningless, and it's not going to last in any case.

Games I shove the most time at aren't even that intensive. Klei, and Zachtronic games.

Re: Why you can’t buy a high-end graphics card at Best Buy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

ASICs are supposed to be orders of magnitude more efficient at their job than GPUs. So NSA can make a 0.01x the investment and "waltz in and trivially 51% attack the blockchain", all while not touching their existing equipment.

The only reason to invoke NSA in this context is for their ability to make a 10000x investment, with no concern for this being (directly) economically viable. The question then is, what will they do with control of the blockchain?

Idea: prevent North Korea from spending their coins?
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