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Why you can’t buy a high-end graphics card at Best Buy

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I wanted to buy 2 1080 for deep learning experiments, but that's going to have to wait.

I picked up a used 32core 128gb server for $1000 recently... It's only a matter of time before these 1080 will be sold for pennies on the dollar.

If your lively hood doesn't depend on it, wait.

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Gamers are complaining about why can't nVidia just ramp up their production. Having worked in a Fab and an assembly factory, there is a tremendous amount of coordination that needs to happen. Let's forget the business aspects for a moment - in order to ramp up production, it is not just building more lines. Silicon industry supply chains are mind bogglingly complex from oil-free-air supply hardware, etching chemicals…

> Gamers are complaining about why can't nVidia just ramp up their production. I don't see too much of that in gaming circles. It's understood that it would be risky as crypto will crash sooner than later. The anger in the PC community is almost exclusively directed at miners. Threads about it pop up on the daily, but what can we do? We could lobby NVIDIA/AMD to somehow implement restrictions on what the Gaming SKUs…

I wonder if they could cripple integer performance; this would prevent mining while probably not hurting gaming performance.

Re: Why you can’t buy a high-end graphics card at Best Buy

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I wanted to buy 2 1080 for deep learning experiments, but that's going to have to wait. I picked up a used 32core 128gb server for $1000 recently... It's only a matter of time before these 1080 will be sold for pennies on the dollar. If your lively hood doesn't depend on it, wait.

I understand most people are wishful to see Cryptocurrencies crash but what if it doesn't?

What would happen if Crytpo booms big time?

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ASICs aren't saving the planet either - people are incentivized to burn up to $BLOCK_REWARD of electricity per block, the number of hashes it takes to do so is irrelevant. If you come up with a better ASIC, people will buy more of them, the network difficulty increases, and you're back where you started. It's just another stage in the Red Queen's Race. The only thing ASICs do is centralize control (because economies…

Though there is some benefit to cryptocurrencies that rely on ASICs for mining: it means that someone with a significant amount of CPUs/GPUs under their control (such as botnet operators, or government groups like the NSA) can't waltz in and trivially 51% attack the blockchain with their existing general-purpose hardware, and then go back to using it for other things. An attacker would have to commit to buying/buildi…

ASICs are supposed to be orders of magnitude more efficient at their job than GPUs. So NSA can make a 0.01x the investment and "waltz in and trivially 51% attack the blockchain", all while not touching their existing equipment.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

ASICs aren't saving the planet either - people are incentivized to burn up to $BLOCK_REWARD of electricity per block, the number of hashes it takes to do so is irrelevant. If you come up with a better ASIC, people will buy more of them, the network difficulty increases, and you're back where you started. It's just another stage in the Red Queen's Race. The only thing ASICs do is centralize control (because economies…

Is Cryptocurrency a form of entropy exchange from Energy (increasing entropy via heat) to information entropy (decreasing information entropy by hashing)? I am thinking more broadly in terms of thermodynamics. I understand classical Thermodynanamics but I don't understand information entropy well. From the standpoint of physics, Energy is the ultimate currency and it seems like we are trading it to decrease informati…

Proof of work is about consensus among mutually distrusting parties. It has approximately nothing to do with entropy.

Of course there is some connection, but the simple "exchange" you're looking for does not exist.

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Maybe there's something I missed about GPUs and mining, but how can an amateur rig like these hope to keep up with ASIC rigs? Can you profitably mine with residential electricity and GPUs still? How long can that possibly last?

There are no ASICs for Ethereum.

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Maybe there's something I missed about GPUs and mining, but how can an amateur rig like these hope to keep up with ASIC rigs? Can you profitably mine with residential electricity and GPUs still? How long can that possibly last?

It's covered in the article: Different currencies use different hash algorithms. Ethereum takes a lot of memory (gigabytes apparently). No one's building ASICs with GB of memory, at least so far.

Re: Why you can’t buy a high-end graphics card at Best Buy

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I'm legitimately worried about the long term future of my hobby (PC gaming) at this point. Prices like this have a cascade effect because when less people can afford to build a PC and/or upgrade there's less incentive for developers and publishers to spend time on the platform. Consoles are shielded by the ability of Sony and Microsoft to take losses which will be absorbed by online fees and higher game prices but no…

> Consoles are shielded by the ability of Sony and Microsoft to take losses which will be absorbed by online fees and higher game prices I imagine they are also shielded to some extent by being AMD APU-based, so the market for discrete GPUs has less of an effect.

AMD APUs (and Intel+AMD Graphics APUs) might be what keep PC gaming alive for the time being. If AMD can pack a chip that can match an RX 460 onto a single die for something like $200 it'd be the goto chip for an entry level system.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Cryptocurrency a form of entropy exchange from Energy (increasing entropy via heat) to information entropy (decreasing information entropy by hashing)? I am thinking more broadly in terms of thermodynamics. I understand classical Thermodynanamics but I don't understand information entropy well. From the standpoint of physics, Energy is the ultimate currency and it seems like we are trading it to decrease informati…

Proof of work is about consensus among mutually distrusting parties. It has approximately nothing to do with entropy. Of course there is some connection, but the simple "exchange" you're looking for does not exist.

>> Proof of work is about consensus among mutually distrusting parties. It has approximately nothing to do with entropy.

Think more abstractly - at the end of the day, Energy is being consumed to compute some problem. That solution has intrinsic value precisely because it took energy to solve it. Extrinsic value is the market economy of CC, and that's where the 'proof of work' and 'consensus amongst distrusting parties' comes into play - that concept of a currency is only valuable if sufficient number of parties agree to its value. I am weeding into the underlying fabric that holds Crytocurrency together.

Imagine if Energy was free, despite of 'consensus', the supply of such currency would be virtually unlimited and it would be worthless.

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