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Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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I've sometimes had the problem as well. Usually because my self esteem had been based heavily on believing that I'm really smart.

It sounds like you had equated being smart with knowing things. My self esteem has also been heavily based on believing that I'm really smart, but I never had a problem admitting I didn't know something. "Smart" to me means my ability to learn, problem solve, and make connections. One of the most significant factors in my success to date has been my almost eager willingness to admit my lack of knowledge, and to ask o…

Not everyone gets there in one step. A lot of people have the problem described by the parent because they don't have these insights yet.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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Something I've noticed now that we're all communicating online in written form: a lack of people saying "I don't know" It seems that everybody knows everything. Whatever the issue, a little bit of Googling and suddenly you know all there is to know. Even more wondrous, no matter what position you take on anything, some more search engine Kung Fu and you can find a hundred people willing to support you with arguments,…

Very good point and observation.

I have observed the same but I have observed the exact opposite in academia and academically oriented corporate R&D in complex technical fields.

People with academic background can surprisingly humble intellectually. They may be arrogant when defending their point of view, but if they come up with a new thing they don't know about, they admit it even if it's common thing. By constantly asking simple questions every time they can't follow up something they are able to learn constantly.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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Something I've noticed now that we're all communicating online in written form: a lack of people saying "I don't know" It seems that everybody knows everything. Whatever the issue, a little bit of Googling and suddenly you know all there is to know. Even more wondrous, no matter what position you take on anything, some more search engine Kung Fu and you can find a hundred people willing to support you with arguments,…

That is absolutely true and you said it very well. And, after a lifetime of being praised for one's intelligence and creativity, when people first begin to realize that things are going badly, they can fall apart in some shocking and ugly ways.

Hopefully a relevant quote:

"Emotions can hinder or uplift. We might hope that those in leadership positions possess strength and resilience, but vanity and fragile egos have sabotaged many of the businesses that I’ve worked with. Defeat is always a possibility, and not everyone finds healthy ways to deal with the stress. Each person matters. Established firms will have a bureaucracy that can ensure some stability, even when an eccentric individual is in a leadership position, but when a company consists of just two or three people, and one of them reacts neurotically to challenges, the company is doomed."

http://www.smashcompany.com/business/how-to-destroy-a-tech-s...

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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I've worked with academics over the years - people who are much smarter than me.

During that time, I've heard on more than one occasion a phrase that goes something like this "a month in the lab saves an hour in the library".

My response, was usually quote the Car Talk guys "Reality often astonishes theory"

The irony, and subject of endless entertaining remarks on the show was that Tom Magliozzi had a PhD.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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post #35

There's something of a connection here to Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Two examples come to mind: 1. The narrator thinks it's important to have in your toolset hammers of multiple hardness, because your hammer should be softer than whatever material you're hammering on at the time. At least, that's how I remember it; I might well be wrong about -- well, about the DETAILS of that example. Please correct…

He’d been innovating extensively. He’d been having trouble with students who had nothing to say. At first he thought it was laziness but later it became apparent that it wasn’t. They just couldn’t think of anything to say. One of them, a girl with strong-lensed glasses, wanted to write a five-hundred-word essay about the United States. He was used to the sinking feeling that comes from statements like this, and sugge…

Very interesting! This reminds me of the central thesis of “Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain” by Betty Edwards, which is that in order to truly learn how to draw, you need to render what you see, not what you know. Everyone can do it, but it’s hard for some people to see something as a collection of lines and shapes instead of a face or a building. Sometimes this involves tricking your brain, e.g. drawing from an upside-down picture.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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This is such a good explanation of why I have a hard time working with folks who always approach technical problems with the attitude of "why don't we just do this?" It's the just that gets me. They are too action-oriented to think about the details or ask someone who's done it before, so they start down the path of (to use the author's metaphor) buying cheap lumber and calculating the angles for cutting the stair bo…

Another really good explanation: https://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2009/04/have-you-ever-legal...

(Despite the name, it's great post about complexity)

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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post #117

A few years ago I co-founded a standing desk company without any experience in real world products in general. The plan was to source desks and sell them to companies. How complicated could it be? Well, the freight company requires a lot of information about the destination building. The destination building require a lot of paperwork in a very specific format just to deliver something. The paperwork is always a litt…

Your short tale reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyTf7y3ityk In sincerity, I found that interesting. Lessons noted!

I must admit, HN is the last place I expected to find a link to a Trailer Park Boys clip.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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post #117

A few years ago I co-founded a standing desk company without any experience in real world products in general. The plan was to source desks and sell them to companies. How complicated could it be? Well, the freight company requires a lot of information about the destination building. The destination building require a lot of paperwork in a very specific format just to deliver something. The paperwork is always a litt…

Your short tale reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyTf7y3ityk In sincerity, I found that interesting. Lessons noted!

ricky explains legacy software https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6rGMNtXHgs

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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post #159

> If your screws are longer than 2”, you’ll need different ones, otherwise they will poke out the top of the board and stab you in the foot. Actually nominal 2 inch lumber has thickness of 1.5" [1]. So your screws should be shorter than 1.5". [1] https://www.archtoolbox.com/materials-systems/wood-plastic-c...

> Actually nominal 2 inch lumber has thickness of 1.5" And, as I've recently learned, two-by-four is in fact 1½ × 3½ inches. How on Earth does that make sense? Why do people call things as if they were X, while knowing perfectly well they're not X? Is this an American thing?

2x4 are 2x4 when they are rough cut. The ones you buy at a hardware store have been jointed/planed to the 1.5x3.5in size.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> An AI is an "unlocked" brain. It can see all the things that it does and then see how it does them. Except this AI doesn't exist. You're imagining there is such a technology, and this technology will just be able to see all the detail in the world it needs to learn, and presto it does everything better than opaque humans. If you think deep learning is such a technology, then ask yourself to what extent ANNs underst…

> Except this AI doesn't exist. You're imagining there is such a technology, and this technology will just be able to see all the detail in the world it needs to learn Obviously I'm imagining it. Strong AI does not yet exist. It's also obvious that it could exist, because humans do it. I'm only making two logical inferences here: 1: Future superhuman AI will have at least the capabilities of the human brain, because…

I'm skeptical that strong AI will be superhuman in a way that allows it to do much better than the entire human race at any task.

In context of the OP, the issue is all the detail in the world that takes many people over ages to work out. Will the superhuman AI be able to recognize all the detail it needs to know to accomplish tasks better than us (all humans)? Notice this isn't the same issue as being transparently intelligent.

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