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What’s So Dangerous About Jordan Peterson?

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Re: What’s So Dangerous About Jordan Peterson?

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Post by electrograv »

emptybits wrote: post #7

The article mentions the first interview Sam Harris did with Jordan Peterson. It appeared frustrating for both parties because they got caught up in definitions of words, etc. Still, it was civil so they parted and agreed to talk again. Harris says, "I’d received more listener requests for him than for Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, Steven Pinker, Edward Snowden—or, indeed, any other person on earth."[0] Notab…

This is key: Continuing discussion is essential to scientific and social progress -- especially on topics in which you disagree or may even be offended (if emotions were allowed to dominate), not to the exclusion of such things.

This inversion from intellectuals welcoming disagreement to shunning it is a terrifying movement to those who value science and truth-seeking, because in a worst case scenario it could very realistically lower us into a new dark age. Just the necessity of an "intellectual dark web" is itself an extremely concerning reflection of today's intellectual climate, which is becoming hostile to tenets of rationality and civilized discourse.

When we subtract dialogue and reason from the picture, all we are left with is emotional conflict -- and rarely do two extremely conflicting emotional views of a topic resolve automatically without the intervention or guidance of rationality.

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Post by bomb199 »

ihsw2 wrote: post #5

In an environment where non-progressives are shunned, he refrains from shunning them. Where non-progressives are demonized, he dispels the myth that non-progressives deserve to be demonized. And so forth -- we are en an environment where progressives are increasingly assertive and increasingly hostile to non-progressives, for whatever reason. We can wax poetic about the quality of his zealots' character until the cow…

What an odd viewpoint.

Progressives (least ones I associate with) are increasingly shunning "Social Conservatives" because they release that the position that's become known as "Social Conservative" is about authoritarianism.

The election of Trump has made the damage they're doing painfully obvious. Suddenly, Nazis are "good people" and that has really riled people up. It's hard for me to support someone when I know they voted for a Nazi sympathizer, and thus I have no desire to interact with them.

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Post by bleezy »

nkrisc wrote: post #3

This is the first time I've heard of Booger McBoogerson, be sounds like the flip-side of everything he whinges about. I choose to not use his preferred proper noun.

Of course it shouldn't be literally illegal to call this man Booger McBoogerson. This should help you realize how harmful C-16 is.

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Post by tomsthumb »

optimuspaul wrote: post #9
ihsw2 wrote: post #5

In an environment where non-progressives are shunned, he refrains from shunning them. Where non-progressives are demonized, he dispels the myth that non-progressives deserve to be demonized. And so forth -- we are en an environment where progressives are increasingly assertive and increasingly hostile to non-progressives, for whatever reason. We can wax poetic about the quality of his zealots' character until the cow…

progressives have been shunned and demonized for so much longer. What did you expect would happen?

Without my agreeing or disagreeing, does that make the above posted ideas incorrect? If not, why are they downvoted?

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Post by pjkundert »

bomb199 wrote: post #12
ihsw2 wrote: post #5

In an environment where non-progressives are shunned, he refrains from shunning them. Where non-progressives are demonized, he dispels the myth that non-progressives deserve to be demonized. And so forth -- we are en an environment where progressives are increasingly assertive and increasingly hostile to non-progressives, for whatever reason. We can wax poetic about the quality of his zealots' character until the cow…

What an odd viewpoint. Progressives (least ones I associate with) are increasingly shunning "Social Conservatives" because they release that the position that's become known as "Social Conservative" is about authoritarianism. The election of Trump has made the damage they're doing painfully obvious. Suddenly, Nazis are "good people" and that has really riled people up. It's hard for me to support someone when I know…

Unfortunately, in a world where everyone is purportedly a Nazi (including my grandmother), nobody is a Nazi. And state control of academia and industry for the purpose of punishing those that don't support ever-increasing state power is indeed of grave concern...

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Post by superquest »

chimen wrote: post #13
moksha256 wrote: post #10

His interview with Camille Paglia is a gem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-hIVnmUdXM

The "so you're saying" interview. Def. a good watch. Peterson handles it so good.

No. This is the "so you're saying" interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

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Post by sremani »

chimen wrote: post #13
moksha256 wrote: post #10

His interview with Camille Paglia is a gem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-hIVnmUdXM

The "so you're saying" interview. Def. a good watch. Peterson handles it so good.

That interview is with Cathy Newman BBC4 Radio.

Camille is OG feminist, the real deal. Not the 3rd wave Feminists, that are lying around in the media and academia now a days.

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