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List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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post #64

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Beer nazi here... Hefeweizen/weissbier is not a lager. Lagers are cold bottom-fermented beers. Hefeweizen is warm top-fermented beer.

>Beer nazi You may want to reconsider this phrasing.

When I write this minikites is downvoted for no good reason.

As much as I support freedom of speech I also think it's unwise to normalize nazism.

Reminding people not to normalize nazism isn't something one should be downvoted for in my book.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

#102
post #69

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Their main beer is a "Helles" :)

their most famous in the US is a hefeweizen, though.

Helles is regional to Bavaria and also the dominant beer. Hefeweizen is secondary choice but strong in export to the world :)

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

#103

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The US were founded in 1787, Columbus reached America in 1492, so how do you expect to find companies there older than that?

Right, obviously they're not going to be in the New World. The question is why those countries, of all the ones in the Old World? There's very little in France, the UK, Norway, Albania, India, Syria, and a heck of a lot of other places with thousands of years of history.

Relative stability, and good written records are probably a reasonable part of the answer.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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The older tiers of this list seem to be heavily dominated by Japan, Germany, and Switzerland. Is that reflective of something other than the demographics of non-"New World" contributors to Wikipedia?

It's affected by several factors.

Survivor bias, most prominently. "To be listed, a brand or company name must remain operating, either in whole or in part, since inception."

Surviving was helped by continuity of social structures: Japan and Switzerland have seen very little external upheaval, while Germany's contemporary territory, despite unable to claim the same, has also seen a strong adherence to local institutions throughout. These companies tend to be, disproportionately, small, local affairs, so a tight-knit group of people was able to sustain them throughout generations as borders were being redrawn on the macro level.

In places where warfare and demographic change led to the movement or fall of entire populations, the continuity of such institutions was put at risk.

As a related factor, survival of documentation and the quality and continuity of recordkeeping also plays into this list.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

#105
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The web design company ( http://www.online-media-werbeagentur.de/ ) seems out of business though :)

The copyright date is 2006. It's amazing that a site design like this would have been built as late as 2006. It looks more like something from 1996. Oh, and I just noticed that if you change the language to German, there is a link to a photo gallery: http://www.luebeckaltstadthotel.de/tischbein.htm

You apparently haven't tried looking for a web design house to work with lately. Maybe not that dated, but often 10 to 15 years behind the present times.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

#106

The older tiers of this list seem to be heavily dominated by Japan, Germany, and Switzerland. Is that reflective of something other than the demographics of non-"New World" contributors to Wikipedia?

Surviving these millenia requires avoiding the situations where businesses are mass-confiscated or the population is destroyed by disaster. So:

- not being colonised (rules out New World, Africa, middle east, India)

- not going through Communism or one of the less business friendly dictatorships (rules out Eastern Europe, Russia, China etc)

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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post #48

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The web design company ( http://www.online-media-werbeagentur.de/ ) seems out of business though :)

The copyright date is 2006. It's amazing that a site design like this would have been built as late as 2006. It looks more like something from 1996. Oh, and I just noticed that if you change the language to German, there is a link to a photo gallery: http://www.luebeckaltstadthotel.de/tischbein.htm

I don't know what kind of websites you were using in 2006, but most small companies in Europe were literally just getting online, and their owners' ideas of design were vastly different than what the designers would recommend.

Those kind of simple HTML websites were going for over 1500 Euros, which is insane, since Wordpress and Drupal existed and had way better themes and functionality.

People just weren't interested or seeing the possibilities of the Web, even in 2006 (and even today!), they just got a website because it was a "new fad" or someone said they can get more customers.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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post #103

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Right, obviously they're not going to be in the New World. The question is why those countries, of all the ones in the Old World? There's very little in France, the UK, Norway, Albania, India, Syria, and a heck of a lot of other places with thousands of years of history.

Relative stability, and good written records are probably a reasonable part of the answer.

Switzerland and Japan, maybe. What is now Germany was not particularly stable during the Middle Ages. Or the Early Modern era. Or the 20th Century for that matter.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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This list looks very suspicious when the largest company ever, the VOC founded 1602 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company founded is not listed there. Apparently only small family companies are listed, not the big ones.

The 2nd biggest company of those times, the Fugger copper mining company founded 1494, dissolved 1657 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugger is also not listed, neither the 3rd largest, the Welser banking and merchant companies. Welsersche Handelsgesellschaft 1490 and ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welser

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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The oldest name on this list that stood out to me is Weihenstephan brewery, founded in 1040 in Bavaria, Germany. They have some of the finest lagers I have ever tried. If you enjoy crisp, refreshing lager beers, I highly recommend their beers. My favorite one is probably the Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier, followed by the Hefeweissbier Dunkel. Note: I am not affiliated in any way with the company, I just highly enjoy…

For those here into German wheat / Hefeweizen beers: Schneider Weisse offer a range of excellent regular Hefeweizen beers as well as an annual special limited edition (named TAPX).

While the regular TAP7 (a Hefeweizen Dunkel) and TAP5 (a hoppy, fruity Hefeweizen reminiscent of an IPA) are fantastic already and stand out among wheat beers the TAPX edition is a very unique treat. The Tap X Cuvée Barrique for example is a creamy and dry wheat beer that tastes like wild berries, figs, and vanilla.

Quite hard to get hold of unfortunately, especially as for the past limited editions.

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