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Mike Moritz slams politically correct tech culture, praises Chinese work ethic

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Re: Mike Moritz slams politically correct tech culture, praises Chinese work ethic

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Chinese culture is pretty different from ours (from what I read). I’m not sure one can pin longer work hours on work ethic alone.

As I understand it, China has a gender imbalance and there are not enough women. Men therefore must be successful to find a wife. This could help explain some of the difference in work ethic, as one of the primary human motivations is to reproduce.

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I don't know if the headline is specifically that California and Silicon Valley is a worse climate then China, but this has been known for anyone outside the valley for a long time. The business climate in flyover country is worlds better. The only real problem is that its hard to get enough talent to really put your money to work, which is the same problem you will have anywhere outside the major tech hubs.

Can you be specific about what you mean about the business climate being better? Is it taxation? The cost of land and workers? It seems that if talent is unavailable that is not just "the only problem" but an actual blocker.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't mean you weren't being exploited.

Your own decisions cannot be exploitation by someone else.

That's what the exploiter would like you to think: it's what you chose, and if something's not right, it's all your own fault, so try harder? This is how pimps have always manipulated their prey, for instance.

Re: Mike Moritz slams politically correct tech culture, praises Chinese work ethic

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Complaining about Silicon Valley political correctness while extolling the virtues of China is at best tone deaf. It’s pretty much impossible for anyone who has any experience with Asia to deny that racism is just more socially acceptable over there than in the US. And things like homosexuality are suppressed. For example, China recently banned depictions of homosexuality on TV.

So of course it’s easier to say certain things over there than it is over here. That’s the difference between a society where tensions are high because we’re actively trying to work through the challenges faced by our minority groups, and one where there are no tensions because the concerns of minority groups are completely suppressed.

It’s also myopic to mistake forced social harmony for principled open mindedness. My extended family is from a South Asian country, and let’s face it—people say things that could, among Americans, get them in trouble. That’s not out of open mindedness. Try bringing up a cousin possibly being gay and see how open minded everyone is.

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I agree some parts of our society have basically forbidden any kind of discussion. That is in need of real change. Respectable and honest discussions between adults should be allowed. Sucks that conference speakers are being "checked" for political affiliations. Why not let the topic stand on its own? But of course, everyone is free to not listen to people that don't support them in some way. It's a delicate line. >…

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post #24

Complaining about Silicon Valley political correctness while extolling the virtues of China is at best tone deaf. It’s pretty much impossible for anyone who has any experience with Asia to deny that racism is just more socially acceptable over there than in the US. And things like homosexuality are suppressed. For example, China recently banned depictions of homosexuality on TV. So of course it’s easier to say certai…

That’s the difference between a society where tensions are high because we’re actively trying to work through the challenges faced by our minority groups, and one where there are no tensions because the concerns of minority groups are completely suppressed.

Very well put!

Re: Mike Moritz slams politically correct tech culture, praises Chinese work ethic

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> "Now, it looks like even Silicon Valley's biggest boosters — venture capitalists — are losing patience."

When I lost patience, I just wrote about it to get it out of my system. I disagree with all the rules/stuff you can't do according to code of conducts we have at workplaces or conferences, but the reactions were neutral/it was not really received at all -- here is my text: "Why anti-harassment policies fail. Grok Trump’s tweets to learn how to fix them" https://medium.com/@iwaninzurich/anti-harassment-rules-dont-...

Re: Mike Moritz slams politically correct tech culture, praises Chinese work ethic

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"Engineers have slightly different habits: they will appear about 10am and leave at midnight." I actually agree with Moritz on some points, but this... all I can say is, from an employee perspective, this only makes sense IF you're going to get rich as a result. And the average startup employee does not get enough equity to get rich even in the event of a successful exit, so there's no reason to do this kind of stuff…

Working more is almost never the solution. If you have to work from 8am until 10pm, you're just doing something wrong. Does he himself work from 8am until 10pm?

I often work from 8am until 10am.

Re: Mike Moritz slams politically correct tech culture, praises Chinese work ethic

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"Engineers have slightly different habits: they will appear about 10am and leave at midnight." I actually agree with Moritz on some points, but this... all I can say is, from an employee perspective, this only makes sense IF you're going to get rich as a result. And the average startup employee does not get enough equity to get rich even in the event of a successful exit, so there's no reason to do this kind of stuff…

Working more is almost never the solution. If you have to work from 8am until 10pm, you're just doing something wrong. Does he himself work from 8am until 10pm?

I assume you mean 10pm? In my experience, after ~6 or 7h coding, my focus starts to move elsewhere, I make more errors and start reacting more irritaded than usual.

Re: Mike Moritz slams politically correct tech culture, praises Chinese work ethic

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working more is almost never the solution. If you have to work from 8am until 10pm, you're just doing something wrong. Does he himself work from 8am until 10pm?

I assume you mean 10pm? In my experience, after ~6 or 7h coding, my focus starts to move elsewhere, I make more errors and start reacting more irritaded than usual.

Sorry, typo. Yes, 10pm of course

I share pretty much the same experience. Five to six hours of coding is a good day in terms of work for me.

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