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Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by codrinf »

acchow wrote: post #91
andys627 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not excessive - they're more in line with true cost of car dependent society. In the US we shower subsidies on car owners. Some examples: using general fund money to build highways, charging low gas taxes that don't cover cost of maintenance of roads, providing free/underpriced parking in every downtown in the US, undercharging for pollution and other negative externalities of driving, requiring minimum amoun…

I think you should be supporting taxing car usage, not car ownership. 500% gasoline tax instead of 100% car tax.

I thinks is not the best solution, as taxing gasoline will rise the price of all products that must be transported. Like your food from farms to supermarket.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by reacharavindh »

I moved to Denmark in 2017.l from south east USA. Writing this message from my hour and half long train+bus commute to work(72 km away from the city of Aarhus,DK). To me. It sucks big time! I can't afford a decent car here. True, I can get a shitty old used car that can breakdown wherever for the cost of a decent car elsewhere in the world. I'd rather save my money and take this long commute. This is one thing I absolutely hate about Denmark from the bottom of my heart. I might consider moving out of Denmark just because of this as soon as my girlfriend finds a good job opportunity elsewhere.

There are so many good things I see about Denmark. But this one shitty thing trumps all the good for me!

Edit: NO. Used cars are not that much cheap unless you get to the shitty category with a ton of mileage in them.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by rando444 »

reacharavindh wrote: post #122

I moved to Denmark in 2017.l from south east USA. Writing this message from my hour and half long train+bus commute to work(72 km away from the city of Aarhus,DK). To me. It sucks big time! I can't afford a decent car here. True, I can get a shitty old used car that can breakdown wherever for the cost of a decent car elsewhere in the world. I'd rather save my money and take this long commute. This is one thing I abso…

As someone from a neighboring country to Denmark, this to me is a sign that their system is working.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by KitDuncan »

lumberjack wrote: post #87

Private vehicular taxation is really unjust when done in this way. Not everyone has the same usage patterns. For example, I commute by bicycle. I would love to have a street legal van, in the eventuality that I want to move something bulky. I would use it once a month at most. Probably less. But I would have to pay thousands of Euros of road taxes just to own a street legal vehicle that is parked in my own garage. Wh…

If you are using a car once a month, shouldn't it be far cheaper, even without taxes, to just rent one?

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by reacharavindh »

rando444 wrote: post #123
reacharavindh wrote: post #122

I moved to Denmark in 2017.l from south east USA. Writing this message from my hour and half long train+bus commute to work(72 km away from the city of Aarhus,DK). To me. It sucks big time! I can't afford a decent car here. True, I can get a shitty old used car that can breakdown wherever for the cost of a decent car elsewhere in the world. I'd rather save my money and take this long commute. This is one thing I abso…

As someone from a neighboring country to Denmark, this to me is a sign that their system is working.

Eager to hear why you think so?

I'm a young person taking a 1.5 hour train+bus commute because I cannot afford a 45 minute car ride. Why do you think the system is working right?

Or, in your view, what am I doing wrong?

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by vinni2 »

ljf wrote: post #117
vinni2 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to live in Northern Denmark and I have experienced their healthcare first hand and witnessed social welfare which helped my friends and colleagues. And I still do think this is excessive tax not well justified for the following reasons: 1. I would expect a state of the art public transport in the whole country. The rail system connecting different cities in Denmark is pretty dated and slow. Even using diesel e…

Car ownership in Denmark is only marginally lower than here in the UK. And not that far behind the rest of Europe. So it obviously doesn't put off those who want a car.

I am not saying people are not buying cars but the 180% or 150% or even 100% tax is not justified. From what I read it is now down to 85% tax which is much better. Dont know about UK my baseline for comparison is Germany (I lived there for 4 years) and I would move back to Germany any day if I can find the same job there. Cost of living, social welfare everything is a good balance between socialism and capitalism there.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by charlesdm »

codrinf wrote: post #121
acchow wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you should be supporting taxing car usage, not car ownership. 500% gasoline tax instead of 100% car tax.

I thinks is not the best solution, as taxing gasoline will rise the price of all products that must be transported. Like your food from farms to supermarket.

You could have a rebate system for 4/5th of the tax for professional users.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by Tehnix »

FullyFunctional wrote: post #112
Tehnix wrote: post #41

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>I'm assuming most normal people are unable to afford a car then They can actually. A new "normal" car would probably range between 60,000-150,000 DKK ($9,600-$24,000), but you could easily get an old used car for around 13,000-20,000 DKK ($2,000-$3,200). Now don't get me wrong, I certainly am not happy with the fact that we have to pay that much extra, but it is not a problem unless you want a really fancy car. For…

"Really well" in the big cities only. Outside the top ten, it's useless. I've lived in a handful of cities in Denmark for about 20 years and this view of public transport is a typical eastern bias.

> I've lived in a handful of cities in Denmark for about 20 years and this view of public transport is a typical eastern bias

I'm not sure what you mean by eastern bias? I've lived in Denmark for 24 years, and South Korea 1 year, along with traveled a lot of the world. Denmark has a top-class transportation system, one that doesn't close around 24:00 (like Japan), and one that is still affordable.

> Outside the top ten, it's useless

Well, if you go below top 10, then you have cities with less than 50k citizens, compared to 1.3 million in Copenhagen, and then 270k in Aarhus (the 2nd biggest city).

I'll agree the transportation doesn't get you everywhere like they do in the bigger cities, but they can still get you around.

I don't think it's fair to expect a whole country to be completely interconnected, and you have like half the population living in the top 10 cities.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by rcxdude »

Zekio wrote: post #55
msencenb wrote: post #54

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Personally I'm sad to see this lowered as I think it set up good incentives. High taxation in general, plus high car taxation, means that taxes will be allocated towards alternative transportation options. In Denmark this has meant bicycle infrastructure and culture which has been shown to make humans both happier and healthier. Not to mention that older cars means a lighter touch on the earth (heavy metals, fuel, et…

"Not to mention that older cars means a lighter touch on the earth (heavy metals, fuel, etc)." ??? older cars doesn't mean a lighter touch on earth in relation to fuel, they can generally drive a shorter distance on the same amount of fuel and likely also have worse filters

Unless it's doing a lot of miles, energy cost of building new car > energy use difference between new and old.

Re: Soon, Cars in Denmark Will Only Be Taxed at 100% (2017)

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Post by ljf »

vinni2 wrote: post #126
ljf wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Car ownership in Denmark is only marginally lower than here in the UK. And not that far behind the rest of Europe. So it obviously doesn't put off those who want a car.

I am not saying people are not buying cars but the 180% or 150% or even 100% tax is not justified. From what I read it is now down to 85% tax which is much better. Dont know about UK my baseline for comparison is Germany (I lived there for 4 years) and I would move back to Germany any day if I can find the same job there. Cost of living, social welfare everything is a good balance between socialism and capitalism the…

Why is it not justified? What you you replace it with, or cut from current government spending. Most Danish on this thread and the few I know have been in support of the tax, which I find interesting.
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